Good evening all

[Mohrg]

Good evening all,

I have been a fanatical hobbyist for 20 years now, playing warhammer, 40k, most specialist games, warmachine, flames of war and many others. Even working in the Bournemouth gw for 3 years.
So after many years of hobbying surely I have mastered all? Not likely, unfortunately painting has always been a major weak point for me, and I have never given the time necessary to learn techniques, or invested in proper tools and paints (either money or time) so over 2013 I will be lurking learning and asking many stupid questions.
I will be posting up a few pictures of my progress and hopefully making some reasonable improvements and develop.

Looking forward to learning, and thanks in advance for all the help!

 

[PegaZus]

Welcome, and start asking them stupid questions.

 

[Mohrg]

Thanks, first question, is this forum tapatalk compatible?

 

[Tommie Soule]

Welcome sir! get posting pics and askin the daftness!

 

[PegaZus]

Thanks, first question, is this forum tapatalk compatible?

Tapa-wah? Had to look up what that actually was. CMON runs vBulletin, or so says the bottom of the page, which should mean it is compatible. Not sure if Chern has to add code or what to the forum to get that done. There had been some talk of a CMON app, but I don't think there was much interest in it. Dunno. You might dig around and find that thread and bring up tapatalk. Course, like I said, there seemed to be tepid interest. I'd reckon there's a lot of people who check the threads in between coats.

 

[Mohrg]

Cool, I mostly post from a tablet, so it is much more convenient, tried to set it on tapatalk but it didn't work

Still here are is a picture of my recent necrons, they are an ongoing project and I still have huge amounts to paint, including 3 monoliths and a pylon, so I'd love to improve my skills before I work on those.


The scheme is pretty basic, but was geared for painting a whole army instead of a show piece, it did get nominated and came second in best painted at the first tourney I took it to which is the first time I have ever been even considered for something like that.

 

[Mohrg]

Just looking into getting a different airbrush, I haven't really used mine I have a revell vario but it doesn't work anymore, not sure why I have cleaned everything inside out but it cuts out after about a second. So I figure I would invest in something basic to get the hang of it.
What is the main advantages and disadvantages for gravity feed vs suction feed?

 

[RuneBrush]

Welcome to the forum!

There are loads of posts regarding airbrushes over on the "Painting & Conversions" forum. To quickly sum it up a suction fed airbrush needs quite a high pressure and is good for applying base coats (and is fairly cheap to purchase), a gravity fed airbrush needs a lower pressure, uses less paint and can be used for detail work in addition to large areas (but is more expensive). Suction fed brushes are quite a good starting point but if you're anything like me you'll want to progress to a gravity fed brush within a couple months.

pete

 

[freakinacage]

Welcome, for a proper discussion about painting, you might be better off starting a wip thread so people can give you pointers on the way

 

[Mohrg]

Welcome, for a proper discussion about painting, you might be better off starting a wip thread so people can give you pointers on the way

This is the plan, I need to get back to my flat to start that, and I want to clear the last few bits of the dark heresy set before I start testing new things and experimenting, then I want to paint my cryx to a higher standard so they will be my first log on here, I'm really excited about it but need to hold off as the dark vengeance set I'm doing are for a friend so need to be done fast (at his request)

 

[QuietiManes]

What is the main advantages and disadvantages for gravity feed vs suction feed?

Along with what RuneBrush said, suction feed brushes are quicker and easier to change colours, can be used to paint in any direction since the bottle can be turned it will not spill like the stationary cup on a gravity feed. For mini painting, you'd probably get much more use out of a gravity feed as it makes details a little easier with lower pressure. There's not much price difference (that I've seen) in similar performing models of gravity versus siphon fed airbrushes but that might depend on where you're shopping. You can always get a side feed and avoid the dilemma...or get an adjustable feed that can switch between top, side, bottom feed.

 

[RuneBrush]

Along with what RuneBrush said, suction feed brushes are quicker and easier to change colours, can be used to paint in any direction since the bottle can be turned it will not spill like the stationary cup on a gravity feed. For mini painting, you'd probably get much more use out of a gravity feed as it makes details a little easier with lower pressure. There's not much price difference (that I've seen) in similar performing models of gravity versus siphon fed airbrushes but that might depend on where you're shopping. You can always get a side feed and avoid the dilemma...or get an adjustable feed that can switch between top, side, bottom feed.

I was given the advice that side fed brushes come under the category of "Jack of all trades, master of none". There are actually some very reasonable airbrush sets that you can get with both a gravity and syphon fed brush in, so that actually could be a good starting point (best of both worlds!)

 

[QuietiManes]

I was given the advice that side fed brushes come under the category of "Jack of all trades, master of none". There are actually some very reasonable airbrush sets that you can get with both a gravity and syphon fed brush in, so that actually could be a good starting point (best of both worlds!)

I've never used a side feed. I thought the same thing about them, until more recently. Debates and reviews and testimonials on various airbrushing sites have changed my mind. I mean, if you look at what some folks are doing with them, wow! I'm under the impression (now) that they're just all the best of of a siphon and/or a suction feed.

It probably depends on the model, better quality control, design and finish would equal better performance. At any rate, someone new to airbrushing might not be able to get the most out of any airbrush anyway...not that that is a reason to give yourself more frustration by choosing a "master of none" of course. So...I dunno, but lately I've been thinking I need to get one as they have started to sound like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

Of course, a kit with both a siphon and a a gravity would be a great alternative. Anyone who picks up an airbrush eventually wants another!

I'm not pushing for any one option, any decent name brand airbrush should be a worthwhile investment that will remain useful long term and reduce the learning curve and frustrations associated with starting out.

 

[Einion]

Welcome to the madhouse dude.

...over 2013 I will be lurking learning and asking many stupid questions.

That's what we're here for :silly!: Seriously, CMON is known for being one of the best places to ask for advice on techniques and for good reason; the Painting & Conversions forum is the place for how-to questions if you haven't seen it yet.

Just looking into getting a different airbrush, I haven't really used mine I have a revell vario but it doesn't work anymore, not sure why I have cleaned everything inside out but it cuts out after about a second. So I figure I would invest in something basic to get the hang of it.
What is the main advantages and disadvantages for gravity feed vs suction feed?

If you're looking for a new airbrush entirely then give serious consideration to one of the boxed Aztek sets. You won't find anything that beats them for bang for the buck (sorta like six or eight airbrushes in one). They're also easiest to clean without fear of needle crash or bending a needle tip.

I was given the advice that side fed brushes come under the category of "Jack of all trades, master of none".

Yeah, this is one of those subjects where you tend to hear a lot from the purists. In reality there's a grain of truth to it but the master of none part is a bit uncharitable, since for a lot of people good enough is good enough.

Einion

 

[RuneBrush]

I've never used a side feed. I thought the same thing about them, until more recently. Debates and reviews and testimonials on various airbrushing sites have changed my mind. I mean, if you look at what some folks are doing with them, wow! I'm under the impression (now) that they're just all the best of of a siphon and/or a suction feed.

It probably depends on the model, better quality control, design and finish would equal better performance. At any rate, someone new to airbrushing might not be able to get the most out of any airbrush anyway...not that that is a reason to give yourself more frustration by choosing a "master of none" of course. So...I dunno, but lately I've been thinking I need to get one as they have started to sound like they're the best thing since sliced bread.

Yeah, this is one of those subjects where you tend to hear a lot from the purists. In reality there's a grain of truth to it but the master of none part is a bit uncharitable, since for a lot of people good enough is good enough.

Quite interesting to see how things have developed. I seriously considered a side fed one when I was looking to upgrade my Badger syphon airbrush (this has to be 4 years ago) and was told to steer clear of them. Might be something I investigate if ever my HP-C packs up!

 

[Einion]

Some of it does depend on the specific AB but really when it comes down to it, most side-feed guns are still gravity-fed, and it's gravity v suction that's the main divider here. The most specialist airbrush of all - the Paasche Turbo - is kinda sorta a side-feed :cute:

Azteks have side-mounted colour cups, but they're also suction-feed guns technically which of course is two marks against them for the all-metal traditionalist type who look down their noses at "the plastic toy", ignoring all the work that's successfully done with 'em.

Einion

 

[Mohrg]

Afternoon folks, I am still here and will hopefully getting some time to paint soon, living in 2 houses is rubbish for getting things done!
In the interim I have been duped onto playing in an epic tourney on Saturday as well so even less painting time
Still, I have 2 queries.
1. What is the points thing in the top corner next to my name on this forum?

2. How do the army painter brushes compare to the gw ones, I have ordered some from triple helix that are taking forever to arrive, and I'm wondering if they will be worth it?

 

[Einion]

2. How do the army painter brushes compare to the gw ones, I have ordered some from triple helix that are taking forever to arrive, and I'm wondering if they will be worth it?

You're nearly always better off buying artists' brushes compared to a hobby brand, both in terms of price and quality (bang for the buck).

Einion

 

[Dragonsreach]

. How do the army painter brushes compare to the gw ones, I have ordered some from triple helix that are taking forever to arrive, and I'm wondering if they will be worth it?

Having used them when I ran a painting class I can say that they are better than the last GW ones I used.
But they fall short of high end Da Vinci, Raphael and Windsor and Newtons.

IMO good Workhorses, but not up to Dressage.

 

[PegaZus]

1. What is the points thing in the top corner next to my name on this forum?

Just something fun that was put in. Get "badges" and points for those badges. Things like filling out your profile, posting your first gallery picture, etc.

Past that, I'm unsure it has any practical use.