GW changes to cheaper materials and puts up prices.
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Ya, video games are one of the best cost-entertainment ratio things out there; beating out most table top games (maybe not board games but that's arguable), assuming you get the 'right' game.
Friend playing WoW, considering he pays $15/month + 65 for the original game + 65/expansion every 2 years, the hours he has put in (actually, the weeks of real time) he has put in, makes that ratio like pennies/hour of entertainment.
A meal out costs maybe $40, movies $15/ticket, etc...so you can't get entertainment for 0.01/hour unless you stay home.
With how much I played Quake 2 and Quake 3 CTF, etc back in the day, easily a penny/hour or less adn even with StarCraft 2 now, hourly cost ratio is nothing (also, got StarCraft 2 for free due to a trade in, so even better).
D&D also has a better cost to time ratio since you technically just need a few books and can use those forever if your group doesn't want to switch rulesets.
Sanjay
Friend playing WoW, considering he pays $15/month + 65 for the original game + 65/expansion every 2 years, the hours he has put in (actually, the weeks of real time) he has put in, makes that ratio like pennies/hour of entertainment.
A meal out costs maybe $40, movies $15/ticket, etc...so you can't get entertainment for 0.01/hour unless you stay home.
With how much I played Quake 2 and Quake 3 CTF, etc back in the day, easily a penny/hour or less adn even with StarCraft 2 now, hourly cost ratio is nothing (also, got StarCraft 2 for free due to a trade in, so even better).
D&D also has a better cost to time ratio since you technically just need a few books and can use those forever if your group doesn't want to switch rulesets.
Sanjay
Here's my opinion...for what it's worth...
Games Workshop is and will always be my favorite miniature producer. I feel both sad and relieved that metal models will no longer be offered. Metal models are both a pain in the arse and a blessing. When it comes to prep work I tend to gravitate towards plastic models however. I have little to no experience with resin. I do know one thing about resin...it is brittle and durability is a huge issue. That's why I say metal was a blessing.
My vast collection of miniatures, both 40k and fantasy, consist of less than 10% metal models. They are expensive and as such should be reserved for the "special" characters of an army and "collectors pieces". So I say, all you gamers out there whining about price hikes, "get over it". This hobby is not for the faint of wallet. There is no obligation to buy GW. As mentioned...there are other companies out there. Finally, your army shouldn't consist of a large number of resin models. That's what the plastic models are for.
This is a painting sight. I would expect the majority of people on here to feel excited for more detailed minis. I for one am very anxiously awaiting these new resin models and the detail they are said to possess. If GW doesn't live up to this promise...my impression of their company may take a turn. These models must really be something else because GW wouldn't jack the price up without the market research and perceived value to back things up.
Games Workshop is and will always be my favorite miniature producer. I feel both sad and relieved that metal models will no longer be offered. Metal models are both a pain in the arse and a blessing. When it comes to prep work I tend to gravitate towards plastic models however. I have little to no experience with resin. I do know one thing about resin...it is brittle and durability is a huge issue. That's why I say metal was a blessing.
My vast collection of miniatures, both 40k and fantasy, consist of less than 10% metal models. They are expensive and as such should be reserved for the "special" characters of an army and "collectors pieces". So I say, all you gamers out there whining about price hikes, "get over it". This hobby is not for the faint of wallet. There is no obligation to buy GW. As mentioned...there are other companies out there. Finally, your army shouldn't consist of a large number of resin models. That's what the plastic models are for.
This is a painting sight. I would expect the majority of people on here to feel excited for more detailed minis. I for one am very anxiously awaiting these new resin models and the detail they are said to possess. If GW doesn't live up to this promise...my impression of their company may take a turn. These models must really be something else because GW wouldn't jack the price up without the market research and perceived value to back things up.
Master of fact
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Thats the problem THEY ARE NOT new models. Simply the same mini's available recast in resin using the same old mold's. The models are not re-sculpts. Heck if they re-did abbadon i would pay a small fortune........... oh we already do.
TrystanGST
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I was with you until the last sentence. If recent history has taught us anything, it's companies will raise the prices until the masses stop buying. And cost savings aren't passed on as lower prices.
GW is going to charge more because they can. People are still buying their stuff.
The resin will definitely be a durability issue. Well, maybe not with the way GW sculpts their stuff haha.
GW is going to charge more because they can. People are still buying their stuff.
The resin will definitely be a durability issue. Well, maybe not with the way GW sculpts their stuff haha.
Mr.S.Marbo
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A lot of people are forgetting that you can also just buy second hand. I am sure lots of people (me included) have a mountain of "lead" hanging around in attics and spare bedrooms just waiting to be sold on auction sites or in person (I read on this site as well that someone got some freecycled minis too!). Many people sell them and you can pick up some bargains. Good as new models for about 30% less than new (and that saving is including postage). If you are prepared to spend sometime stripping the paint off old models you can sometimes get metal models for a fraction of their new selling price.
Personally this won't affect me because I have a lifetime of stuff to paint stashed away! Even so there is a gaming shop opened in my little town which is selling Malifaux / Wyrd miniatures which look really interesting so I am always being pulled into buying more stuff than I ever need. I do like the idea of having 6 models and having a quick game occasionally with them though so this looks good.
Personally this won't affect me because I have a lifetime of stuff to paint stashed away! Even so there is a gaming shop opened in my little town which is selling Malifaux / Wyrd miniatures which look really interesting so I am always being pulled into buying more stuff than I ever need. I do like the idea of having 6 models and having a quick game occasionally with them though so this looks good.
BPI
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Given the vast number of different resins & mixes available I assume GW will have picked one that is non-toxic, that paint will adhere too, that is easy to trim/clean and that will, when hurled at a concrete floor, remain intact. I suppose it won't melt if left in the boot of a hot car, will retain sculpt detail, not destroy molds, set quickly, only glues together with GWlue, etc.
Until GW put up a promotional YouTube video showing us what it's like to work with, I guess we'll have to wait & see
I've been getting noticably poorer for the last couple of years so I'm largely priced out of their market anyhow. I'll be interested to see if the material favours either one of painters or gamers over the other though.
Cheers, B.
PS Marbo, I'm starting to be intrigued by this Malifaux business. Keep hearing about it, seen a few minis, even the Bens on the WHFB focused Bad Dice podcast have started playing. Must get around to visiting the website at some point
Until GW put up a promotional YouTube video showing us what it's like to work with, I guess we'll have to wait & see
I've been getting noticably poorer for the last couple of years so I'm largely priced out of their market anyhow. I'll be interested to see if the material favours either one of painters or gamers over the other though.
Cheers, B.
PS Marbo, I'm starting to be intrigued by this Malifaux business. Keep hearing about it, seen a few minis, even the Bens on the WHFB focused Bad Dice podcast have started playing. Must get around to visiting the website at some point
second hand
The days of "Second Hand" and stripping models will come to an end. That's really sucky...and I know I'm going to grind my teeth on my first resin model that goes wrong. Let's face it people, I mean this with no disrespect, we may not like the price hike and we'll all bitch about it...but the second the new shiny models roll out all of our hurt feelings will subside and we'll go back to spending our hard earned dollars on yet more GW crap. Anyone who says "That's it...never again!" is fooling themselves. There is just no way of getting away from them. They just always seem to have the hooks that get you back.
I back my statement up. I'm 100% sure GW has done the research and I'm sure if you put the new models next to the old you will see a difference. There are a good number of older models getting re-casted YES...but I can only speak for myself when I say that I might even buy an older model if it looks sharper than the original casting. I'm a collector/painter first and a gamer second. I'm also a firm believer that it is the models and top notch painting that sell the hobby. I think every gamer deep down inside wishes they could paint their models up with the skill of a Eavy Metal painter.
The days of "Second Hand" and stripping models will come to an end. That's really sucky...and I know I'm going to grind my teeth on my first resin model that goes wrong. Let's face it people, I mean this with no disrespect, we may not like the price hike and we'll all bitch about it...but the second the new shiny models roll out all of our hurt feelings will subside and we'll go back to spending our hard earned dollars on yet more GW crap. Anyone who says "That's it...never again!" is fooling themselves. There is just no way of getting away from them. They just always seem to have the hooks that get you back.
I back my statement up. I'm 100% sure GW has done the research and I'm sure if you put the new models next to the old you will see a difference. There are a good number of older models getting re-casted YES...but I can only speak for myself when I say that I might even buy an older model if it looks sharper than the original casting. I'm a collector/painter first and a gamer second. I'm also a firm believer that it is the models and top notch painting that sell the hobby. I think every gamer deep down inside wishes they could paint their models up with the skill of a Eavy Metal painter.
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skraaal
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I can rent a video game.
But, ultimately you are right. GW can charge as much as they'd like, won't affect me one bit.
I think this sums it up pretty well.
Of course people will continue to pay for them with that kind of loyalty.
Master of fact
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I wont be buying anymore GW or anything else for that matter as apparantly mortgages don't come cheap these day's!!! lol
crystella333
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The Femme Militant's were the idea of John Blanche of Games Workshop, and were not distributed by Games Workshop. You could only get them on their own website and for a limited time.
jerry kurl
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In a tim eof reccesion i find it amazing that GW still keep pouring price rises down our necks! almost EVERY company that sells products in the UK have to have sales to help drive demand, reduce stock holdings and generally make sales so that they can continue trading through this rough time - it infuriates me when i can buy GW stuff online upto 20% cheaper than i can from walking into there own stores or though there own website - its just bloody greed! This switch over to resin is going to mean that LGS will hold even less stock as GW (if i remember correctly) cannot hold stock of resin products because of the increased saftey risks of haveing resin products on site! Resin dust is very dangerous and requires whole new levels of H&S to be able to stock, process (use) and sell this will also mean that there products will also no longer be suitable for juniors to purchase. Come on GW what the hell are you playing at!!
GW has always been an expensive hobby but now with the cost of living rising almost monthly and wages certainly not rising to match this I think GW may find that in coming months/years there customer base will start getting smaller and smaller - as a companythey are a great big lumbering expensive giant of a business and i can only imagine at the enormity of there running costs - they must employ literally tens of thousands of dry humping spotty teenagers all over the world! I just wish that like most succsesfull big companies they go back to beliving that customers are key!
GW has always been an expensive hobby but now with the cost of living rising almost monthly and wages certainly not rising to match this I think GW may find that in coming months/years there customer base will start getting smaller and smaller - as a companythey are a great big lumbering expensive giant of a business and i can only imagine at the enormity of there running costs - they must employ literally tens of thousands of dry humping spotty teenagers all over the world! I just wish that like most succsesfull big companies they go back to beliving that customers are key!
This thread has gotten very convoluted. Coupled with different folks in my gaming group saying different things, I have become confused. To make sure I have this situation understood....
-Only metals are going to "resin". Plastics stay plastics, correct? If so, that's a very small % of there product line.
-It's not straight up "resin", but more like PP's plastic/resin hybrid stuff, correct? Supposedly less toxic and makes for less dust?
-The price hike is on everything (well, nearly). Also it is the largest individual hike they have done to date, in both the number of products affected and the % of increase, correct? I know not all products are being increased by the same % of their price, but the highest % increases are the biggest they have every done as I understand it.
-I have yet to see anywhere that GW clearly states that the price hike is to cover the cost of converting metal to "resin". Are they just passing off that the two happening at the same time is coincidental? Or have I just not read the right posts? It seems that the cost savings of "resin" over metal would pay for itself over time. Maybe they're just trying to expedite the return on investment. lolol Maybe they're just being greedy fookin' barterdz. : /
-The ban on international sales only applies to retailers in the EU, correct?
If anyone would/could take the time to clarify for me, it would be very much appreciated. : )
My personal take on what I know for sure at this point.... meh It's the corporate world being beholden to their share holders. I don't buy much GW. Haven't spent more $300 on them in the last 5yrs or so and half of that was on items that aren't having the price hiked. My FLGS sells all GW minis and paints sets at 20% off so I tend to not stress the price hikes.
If there are any players that play only GW games out there, I highly recommend trying some other games.: ) There are many amazing games available. I personally am most fond of Infinity and Malifaux right now.
Take care!
-Only metals are going to "resin". Plastics stay plastics, correct? If so, that's a very small % of there product line.
-It's not straight up "resin", but more like PP's plastic/resin hybrid stuff, correct? Supposedly less toxic and makes for less dust?
-The price hike is on everything (well, nearly). Also it is the largest individual hike they have done to date, in both the number of products affected and the % of increase, correct? I know not all products are being increased by the same % of their price, but the highest % increases are the biggest they have every done as I understand it.
-I have yet to see anywhere that GW clearly states that the price hike is to cover the cost of converting metal to "resin". Are they just passing off that the two happening at the same time is coincidental? Or have I just not read the right posts? It seems that the cost savings of "resin" over metal would pay for itself over time. Maybe they're just trying to expedite the return on investment. lolol Maybe they're just being greedy fookin' barterdz. : /
-The ban on international sales only applies to retailers in the EU, correct?
If anyone would/could take the time to clarify for me, it would be very much appreciated. : )
My personal take on what I know for sure at this point.... meh It's the corporate world being beholden to their share holders. I don't buy much GW. Haven't spent more $300 on them in the last 5yrs or so and half of that was on items that aren't having the price hiked. My FLGS sells all GW minis and paints sets at 20% off so I tend to not stress the price hikes.
If there are any players that play only GW games out there, I highly recommend trying some other games.: ) There are many amazing games available. I personally am most fond of Infinity and Malifaux right now.
Take care!
Torn blue sky
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Who cares, we're all going to die tomorrow anyway!
The saving grace is that includes everyone at GW, WAHEY!
The saving grace is that includes everyone at GW, WAHEY!
