GW changes to cheaper materials and puts up prices.
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Torn blue sky
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I'm sure I had one kicking about at some point, Had some epic ones too of the same model... Christ only knows where they ended up.
noneedforaname
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I think any speed flashing at games day would get you kicked out lol
Torn blue sky
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Besides, there's never enough ladies in attendance to make it a worthwhile event for me.
Einion
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Some observations on casting costs that might be of interest.
Although resin is supposed to be a cheaper material than casting pewters, that's not the whole story since there's much more waste with resin - and this can't be recycled like it can with metal.
Vulcanised rubber moulds last longer (especially if you use them past the point that they should have been retired!) so although they may be more expensive to make the cost may not work out quite as much in resin's favour. Plus good-quality silicones are not cheap and if they want long mould life then they pretty much have to use quality stuff.
Einion
Although resin is supposed to be a cheaper material than casting pewters, that's not the whole story since there's much more waste with resin - and this can't be recycled like it can with metal.
Vulcanised rubber moulds last longer (especially if you use them past the point that they should have been retired!) so although they may be more expensive to make the cost may not work out quite as much in resin's favour. Plus good-quality silicones are not cheap and if they want long mould life then they pretty much have to use quality stuff.
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TrystanGST
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Interesting. Mine is assembled, but unpainted. It was even modded so that the doors and commander hatch are hinged lol
I say we wait and see what the new miniatures look like. But generaly I do think resin is better then metal. I think the forgeworld resin kits are better then the metal gw kits, I find that they have less flash and moldlines on them and the detail is a little bit crispier.
I also meant to mention that Games workshop confirmed that their resin is non-toxic and that you do'nt have to use a mask when modelling in the whats new today section of their site.
I also meant to mention that Games workshop confirmed that their resin is non-toxic and that you do'nt have to use a mask when modelling in the whats new today section of their site.
Might be worth starting an eBay search to check on current prices...At one point they were literally gold dust but I do know prices have slipped since the release of the new LR.
I saw one today...it looked like one of those wooden dinosaur kits for children where you press out the pieces and lock them together. Literally, the whole sprue was full of flash. Some of the other models were much better however, but all of them had so many filler pipes that cleaning up is still likely to be difficult.
Even if these new resin casts contain more detail, they certainly won't once a couple of coats of basecoat have been applied. Besides, extra-fine detail is really only of interest to collectors and expert painters and GW alienated most/many of those years ago.
I've heard elsewhere the moulds are good for 20 pulls only.
Early pics reveal suspected mould tearing plus issues with the resin getting where it needs to be before setting, bubbles of course and some nightmare venting. Areas that look as though a small rat has been nibbling on them. Don't know the term for that... Oh and warping - sprues pulled before ready it seems. Also the resin is said to be very soft, has memory even after being heated and does not really like heat either (low goo point?).
Obviously the horrible examples being shown could be cherry picked disasters from biased parties so no conclusions are possible at this stage. However the products were retail packaged so not test run rejects or what have you.
Being new molds from the same masters the only benefit is new molds and the (potentially) superior properties of the material. If the extra 'crispness' of detail is even noticable it may not offset the detail loss of areas not filled with resin.
I'll be going to a store tomorrow to see a mate so I should get a good look at things.
Talion
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These are direct quotes from GW website
"Flash: You will all be familiar with flash on metal models. Citadel Finecast resin flows even more smoothly than metal does in the moulds. This means that a miniature might have very little flash, but some have a lot, which might look unusual. Don't worry, this flash is easy to remove (quite often you can remove most of it with your fingers)."
"Bubbles: Sometimes you will see small bubbles on the surface of Citadel Finecast models. These are easy filled with a dab of Super Glue or, if small enough, will disappear when you undercoat the model."
At least they are admitting that finecast isn't so well Fine Casted
Edit: I'm sounding very negative - I'm interested in painting one.......just having bought forgeworld stuff hoping it's not as bad.
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Apparantly mould release is not an issue but a wash anyway is good practise.
If for some whacky reason the store manager is happy for me to paint a store model I'll happily have a go. Heck I'll paint a returned item just to see how it drives. Hmmm no recycling means bits for the bits god!
If for some whacky reason the store manager is happy for me to paint a store model I'll happily have a go. Heck I'll paint a returned item just to see how it drives. Hmmm no recycling means bits for the bits god!
nels0nmac
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Having looked at todays pics on the GW website i'm still not overly convinced that it will be good in all cases. Just recently they have produced models with very small stems - such as Lelith Hesperax / Eldar Harlequins, and Ork boss Zagstruck to name a few. I am not convinced that the resin will be strong enough to withstand normal uasge, either that or looking at the pics as to just how bendy the stuff can be I am not sure that they will ever be made to stand straight. The way the sword bends in the pic is to me a little disconcerting that the resin is so soft. Kinda suggests that it would not take too much heat to cause the stuff to bend. Alright for straightening out the molds that have been pulled out to soon but I am thinking that you would not want to leave your fancy new figures on a sunny windowsill or too close to a radiator.
As for the safety of the resin.... the website leans towards suggesting that you don't want to sand/file the resin as you may " sand too hard and take away some of the detail" ---- oh please...... give me a break. Sounds like a cop out that the resin is not to good in dust form.
As for the safety of the resin.... the website leans towards suggesting that you don't want to sand/file the resin as you may " sand too hard and take away some of the detail" ---- oh please...... give me a break. Sounds like a cop out that the resin is not to good in dust form.
Master of fact
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I thought that too. Dont file it you loose detail. I am calling bollocks.
freakinacage
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Jazz is for losers
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It's just garbage. Rackham plastics all over again but on a far larger scale.
Speaks for itself but reading the Games-workshop article on Failcast is still a bit depressing.
Speaks for itself but reading the Games-workshop article on Failcast is still a bit depressing.
Jazz is for losers
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Flicked through WD in the newsagent on my way home today and read a bit where Brokenblade was apparently praising the switch (didn't read it all), I guess he drew the short straw.
