GW does it again !!!

[Trevor]

As far as I know, most GW staff don\'t have a say in the selling. The creative studio, store staff etc etc have little to no say in the economic side controlled by these mysterious \"suits\".

As for bitching about prices, you could say much the same about anything you buy, most things are sold in shops at least 4 times what they are \"worth\". (manufacturer sells at 2x cost, then shop sells at 2x cost). And thats presuming there is just one stage in the manufacturing...

Peoples perception of value and cost are perplexing, you are aware that ~80% of the cost of a bottle of spirits in the UK is from tax?

As for price, well no-one is forcing you to buy it, if you don\'t like the price don\'t buy, whining about it won\'t do any good.

 

[Evil Dave]

Whining won\'t help ...so I simply dropped the hobby. I may pick up a GW mini that catches my eye, but other than that I\'m through with 40K and any other game GW puts out.

So anyway City of Hero\'s is my new hobby, $50 for the game and $14 a month for a full month of entertainment ain\'t bad.

 

[Braveheart712]

Whining?? No I\'m not whining, I am venting! And thanks for the economics lesson, Trevor. I am well aware that the average GW shop or Rogue trader cannot set their prices, further more I have heard that GW will stop selling to a dealership if they find out that they sell at less than 20% of the GW suggested retail. This violates the free market system, oh yeah has anyone forgot about GW\'s crackdown on internet dealers last year?? All I was saying is that their recent actions seem to do nothing but alienate their core customers, and as it was pointed out, discourage new hobbists by making their product too cost prohibitive for the average teenager. But I guess the suits have a plan right ?? I do blame the corporate execs. No where on the website was a price hike even hinted, and since WH40K fourth addition rules are in the works, that is a new rule codex from every player at $25 a piece. Can you say \"Ca-ching??\" My perception of value is in tact, since the manufacturing cost coupled with the raw materials is no where close to what the retail cost is in this case. By the way, alcohol is a bad example to use for pricing because government builds in sin tax on this item to curb usage and fund government programs. Are you in some way suggesting that there is a \"sin tax\" on minis being collected by GW??? That might make sence, since nothing else regarding the new and improve price structure does!!!

Hivemind- 30 miles south of Rochester in some little rednek town. Rent\'s cheap here so I can still afford my hobby..LOL

\"Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong..\" -Dennis Miller

or

\"\"F^#k it, who wants pie?\" -also Dennis Miller

(Still no official GW response here, kinda figured!)

 

[Trevor]

The new rules work with the existing codexes. However, they will gradually phase in new ones as they overhaul the rules (basically the Tau, Necron Guard and other \"new\" codexes will stay and the rest be updated).

 

[t_haye2]

nah, i heard that they\'ll redo all of them. GW redoes the rulebooks and codexes/army books every 5 to 6 years, standard practice...

 

[Sturmhalo]

Originally posted by Trevor
As for bitching about prices, you could say much the same about anything you buy, most things are sold in shops at least 4 times what they are \"worth\". (manufacturer sells at 2x cost, then shop sells at 2x cost).

Exactly. I\'m a fan of a lot of the stuff that Earache Records put out. If you go down your local record store (Virgin, HMV, etc) you\'ll probably have to pay between £15 and £17 for a lot their best sellers. Go to Earache\'s own on-line store though and they sell those £17 Cd\'s for less than a tenner!

Once again, just for comparison (we all know it but...) the actual cost of a figure in terms of metal is pennies (£0.20?). As for plastics I don\'t really know but I assume they\'re not much more expensive per figure. Depressing huh?! I remember when GW blisters contained on average 5 figures and they charged £2.99 a pack! Those were the days to build an army. Still, we all keep on spending our money on little metal soldiers regardless of the cost because we like what they (and others) do!

 

[kittykat23uk]

Well, since the majority of us probably have plenty of unpainted lead lying around, I propose that we boycott spending on GW for the next few months and just get on with painting what we have! :moon: Complaining about the price increase, then going ahead and buying stuff from them anyway isn\'t going to help.

I\'ve noticed that Reaper figs are also less good value than they used to be, the new dragons have gone up by several quid for the larger kits. Has anyone else noticed that the multipart kits such as Werner\'s fairys seem dissporportionatly expensive compared to some of the larger blisters containing single figures? Perhaps it is due to extra costs in the casting or something???

Anyway, I haven\'t bought any new minis recently, purely because I already have a huge backlog waiting to be painted and because prices are higher than before which has made me think twice about impulse buys.


Regards

Kat

 

[Blacky]

the prob I see with GW miniatures is that you are not just paying for the mini itself more the whole marketting department that is GW. GW employ a nomber of staff as full time painters, modellers, sculpters as well as the WD editing team, rules design team and their huge marketing division. GW has made a huge effort in the last decade to ensure that their rules and mini\'s are the most well known world wide. They have released Board games in assoc. with MB, half a dozen computer games as well as their LOTR venture to capitalize on a movie/merchandise venture with Tolkien LTD. Even their staff are trained to build a level of excitement amongst the younger customers so that they can go and nag mum for more money. All these things have added up to become the business juggernaught that is Games Workshop and with every step made in an effort to corner a growing market. So now us poor saps have to pay xtra dollars to cover all of these hidden ammenities that frankly I can do without. It must be working a trat with the kids though, I refuse to enter a GW store on the weekends for fear of being trampled by 200 screaming juvenilles. I organise tournaments a group of about 20 players and I make every effort to keep them on top of great purchases on EBAY, mate of mine just picked up a whole Tomb kings army for %50 retail, hopefully in time this will bite GW in the ass as everyone starts trading on line rather than purchasing new!!

(my 20c worth!)

 

[KingM]

Lol, every time Gw raises prices, people talk of a boycott, it never happens. The fact is, Gw will have considered the effects the increase will have on sales, and determined that it is worthwhile.

We could always try the old Jedi mind trick on Gw staff

Gw Staff: \"Wann buy some Space Marines?\"
Us: \"You don\'t want to sell me Space Marines\"
Gw Staff: \"I don\'t want to sell you Space Marines\"
Us: \"You want to go home and rethink your life\"
Gw Staff: \"I want to go home and rethink my life\"

 

[Braveheart712]

Originally posted by KingM
Lol, every time Gw raises prices, people talk of a boycott, it never happens. The fact is, Gw will have considered the effects the increase will have on sales, and determined that it is worthwhile.

We could always try the old Jedi mind trick on Gw staff

Gw Staff: \"Wann buy some Space Marines?\"
Us: \"You don\'t want to sell me Space Marines\"
Gw Staff: \"I don\'t want to sell you Space Marines\"
Us: \"You want to go home and rethink your life\"
Gw Staff: \"I want to go home and rethink my life\"

Help me Obi Won, you\'re my only hope.... LOL!

 

[Dragonsreach]

I\'m fed up with all the whinging about price hikes and rip off from GW. This is not the end of our world there are far worse things going on in the world than the greed of a company.

Lets look at this realistically.

We all have a disposable income of some sort (Wages, Pocket-money, Allowances whatever.) But we in the \"Developed World\" are lucky. Let\'s not forget that what we buy are luxury goods, they are not essential items to our survival or the growth of our children.
The cost of a boxed set of minatures from whatever company would probably pay for the innoculation of a village in the undeveloped world.

If you want to really stick it to GW, then don\'t just boycott their trading empire, do some good with the money go to:-

http://www.worldvision.org.uk

and donate what you would spend in a week/month.

Then write to the CEO at GW, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham UK and tell him what you\'ve done and why.

There may be some good from all of this, GW may see what people feel about the price hikes (unlilkley) and someone in an underdeveloped nation may see a benefit.

End of Rant!!

 

[finn17]

Mike.....

It\'s time for your tablets.....:flip:

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by finn17
It\'s time for your tablets.....:flip:

No really! [/sarcasm]
Just consider how much you and I spend in a year on figures and think about what I\'m saying.

 

[finn17]

I\'ve thought....

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
Just consider how much you and I spend in a year on figures and think about what I\'m saying.

..and I have decided to spend a little more:bouncy:

Sorry Mike, I don\'t have a conscience, it broke a long while ago...

 

[flynn]

Darthfoley (and possibly others) have mentioned that Reaper also announced a price increase. However, for a single Dark Heaven mini, it went from $3.49 to $3.99. They will be releasing a new very large dragon in the near future that will be selling for 79.99 -- the last one they released was 74.99. However, for that 79.99, you\'ll get a solid pewter dragon that\'s about 10 inches tall, 14 inches long, with a 12 inch wingspan. How much would GW charge for something like this? $200? $300? $500?

 

[t_haye2]

Mike, you\'re right, but again, you can hardly expect the good people of this forum to start being good samaritans.

Fact is that westerners are greedy sons of b*****s who don\'t give a damn about starving people or kids walking around with machine guns, just like the telly, that\'s a passing \'oh...yeah...that happens...somewhere in the world....BTW, how about those Rangers eh?\'

It\'s something I was thinking about recently, moaning about the fact I couldn\'t go to see shrek because of money shortage. We have no idea about what being poor or hungry really means, and frankly, i do feel disgusted about it sometimes. I\'m not saying i\'m any better, it\'s just something that really starts to freak me out when i watch the news.

Irak? nobody cares no more, yes, when a western soldier who gets paid a wage you can feed 10 families in Bazra for month for dies...and even then it\'s out of your mind 5 minutes later. It\'s just a passing interest, something to occupy our minds with for 5 seconds...makes you wonder what the point is of sending those guys out there in the first place, majority of people here don\'t give a ****.

End of it, ofcourse, you don\'t like the prices, don\'t frigging buy the models, it\'s not like it\'s medication you cannot live without. you want to buy the models, then pay the man, it\'s the way it is....

whoah.....that was a pretty good rant....

 

[ZeCorto]

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
If you want to really stick it to GW, then don\'t just boycott their trading empire, do some good with the money go to:-

http://www.worldvision.org.uk

and donate what you would spend in a week/month.

Good idea, DR! Next month\'s mini budget is going there

 

[LavronYor]

Capitalism, Intellectual Property, Comparisons

Price hike\'s are brought on because GW thinks that you will still pay to play. It is capitalism at it\'s best. None of us need new minis from GW, they are a WANT. A want, only this and nothing more. If you don\'t want to buy them from GW, don\'t. BUT, consider that GW is a company and companies are out to make money and survive. They have over 50 stores in the US now and they have to pay all of their employees to stand there, whether we buy from them or not. What they have and what makes them a great company is the intellectual property of Warhammer. It is our home away from home, for some of us. It is still the best and funnest wargame system out there. ( with the possible exception of Chess sets with the Simpsons, Star Wars, Star Trek, fill in your favorite set here)((Yeah right, Chess)) Remember, they created it and we love/hate it. Now for prices, go to Ebay, go to online stores, go to the people who want to get out of the game because of price hikes. IF the fun is not greater than the price, sell out. Create your own game system and see how many people play. Finally, compare prices,
look what a well painted mini from 5 years ago is worth. There is still a demand for cool minis or am I on the wrong message board. See what Pokemon cards are going for, or Beanie Babies or Star Wars figures. Check the prices that CMON 8\'s or higher get at EBAY. As far as money goes, we all have a budget, some higher, some lower. Just buy smarter. I am sure that most of us have many (some tons of) unpainted minis that have been patiently waiting for their turn to feel paint. Our Buzz\'s and Woody\'s are silently thinking, \" Someday, Andy is going to paint me and when I get on that game table, I am going to kick some a**. If only GW would have another price hike, I know I\'ll get primered.\"
WOW, somebody knock me off my soapbox.


I was going to but the book the power of positive thinking, but then I thought, What the hell good would that do.

 

[Jarrett Lee]

Originally posted by t_haye2


Fact is that westerners are greedy sons of b*****s who don\'t give a damn about starving people or kids walking around with machine guns, just like the telly, that\'s a passing \'oh...yeah...that happens...somewhere in the world....

I used to give to the United Way and sponsored a foster child in Africa.

But since then, I\'ve become a very \"angry at our ridiculous society and people in general\" person (although face to face I can be very amicable!) and made a conscious decision to be a textbook greedy westerner.

I also decided that giving almost half my paycheck to the government so they can completely waste it and basically throw it in the garbage was charity enough!

I have no idea who\'s side I\'m ranting on. I\'m just ranting in general

Jarrett

 

[SaintRigger]

Originally posted by Dragonsreach
I\'m fed up with all the whinging about price hikes and rip off from GW. This is not the end of our world there are far worse things going on in the world than the greed of a company.

Lets look at this realistically.

We all have a disposable income of some sort (Wages, Pocket-money, Allowances whatever.) But we in the \"Developed World\" are lucky. Let\'s not forget that what we buy are luxury goods, they are not essential items to our survival or the growth of our children.
The cost of a boxed set of minatures from whatever company would probably pay for the innoculation of a village in the undeveloped world.

If you want to really stick it to GW, then don\'t just boycott their trading empire, do some good with the money go to:-

http://www.worldvision.org.uk

and donate what you would spend in a week/month.

Then write to the CEO at GW, Willow Road, Lenton, Nottingham UK and tell him what you\'ve done and why.

There may be some good from all of this, GW may see what people feel about the price hikes (unlilkley) and someone in an underdeveloped nation may see a benefit.

End of Rant!!

I really like this idea.