GW painting standard?
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Braveheart712
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I have heard all the excuses and reasons submitted, but no matter what GW new \"standard\" is crap. Look at the gnoblar army a few White Dwarf issues back, I kept thinking the paint job and pictures were some kind of April Fool\'s joke. Every week I see better painted minis at my local gaming centers and they are painted for gaming at a \"tabletop\" standard. I feel GW is on the wrong path, and that dumbing down their painting standard is not the way to attract a younger 12 year old market. Reasonable pricing would be the way to go in my opinion, but asking that from GW would be like asking a cat to bark. GW is in decline. Rackham, Warlord (Reaper) and Warmachine have started to take away from their market locally since you can field an army cheaply and you get to play with beautiful minis ( I still dislike Rackham personally but their sculpting kicks GW in the ass). GW will do what GW wants, they always have, and our collective opinion will not change anything. I too hope Anja can revive the quality standard of painting that GW once had attached to all their products, but ther current trend tells me otherwise.
As far as the pre-heresy marines go, for the most part they suck. Most of them would make a good candidate for \"Crappy Mini Or Not\", stripped and painted with care most would be outstanding. Currently their should be a caution sign attached stating \"Clicking on this picture will cause a larger image to pop up, making the figure appear even crappier than it already is.\"
As far as the pre-heresy marines go, for the most part they suck. Most of them would make a good candidate for \"Crappy Mini Or Not\", stripped and painted with care most would be outstanding. Currently their should be a caution sign attached stating \"Clicking on this picture will cause a larger image to pop up, making the figure appear even crappier than it already is.\"
I understand what people are saying about having pictures of models that don\'t look impossible to paint for a newbie, but they should mix it up a bit more. Balance it out with more pics of really well painted models. Maybe do a feature showing a progression of quality, get an eavy metal painter and show pics of their early less well painted models and then show how they have improved.
As for the pre heresy colour schemes White Dwarf ran an article for about two years called index astartes with the colour schemes for all the 18 named legions, pre and post heresy.
As for the pre heresy colour schemes White Dwarf ran an article for about two years called index astartes with the colour schemes for all the 18 named legions, pre and post heresy.
shinjikun1
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Im not going to qoute anyone in this reply- to many. Alot of ideas about why it is the why it is. Just remember GW does everything it does purposfully. White Dwarf issues are done three months in advance. Game and Model design is done two years in advance. Its not a matter of tight schedualing or deadlines. If GW wanted the highest levels of painting in its mag, it would have them.
Unpainted convertions, again by choice.
GW <--> Rackham comparison....I think this thread illistrates a fine example of what we are talking about:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=8768
Unpainted convertions, again by choice.
GW <--> Rackham comparison....I think this thread illistrates a fine example of what we are talking about:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=8768
Herb the bitter
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Originally posted by Ritual
@Green stuff
It\'s sort of a McDonald\'s approach. And McDonald\'s have been pretty successful... Does their food taste good? No. Do people eat it anyway? Yes!
I like McDonalds.
Though maybe I\'m odd as it was the exceptional paint jobs that pulled me further into the hobby, even when I was a crappy painter. I have recently stopped buying White Dwarf(regularly) because if I\'m going to pay, I want to see better painters than me.
I can\'t paint like the Rackham painters, but I still buy their minis primarily because of the awesome paint jobs.
shinjikun1
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Just took a look at your link. The guys who painted these models range from Dave Taylor-head of US Studio to GW Hobby Center Staff. Basically when they do a article like this they just post a Communicade around and if anyone submitts something cool they use it. Its not a \"Showcase\" just a collection of different peoples models. GW has so much going on if they wanted every model published painted by \'Eavy Metal, they would need a team of over a hundred painters.
Braveheart712
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With all do respect, I think you need to quit defending GW while you are behind, way behind. If you are trying to tell us that they have made a firm and calculated corporate desicion to paint like garbage and produce substandard minis, then I guess GW is in far worse shape then we all imagined. Defending their current \"Let\'s all paint like 3rd graders\" approach is as insane as my 12 year old telling me at report card time that he was really only trying to get C\'s not A\'s. Cool conversions painted like crap still equal crap.
Ebonbuddha
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That was my probelm. When I got into GW I stop caring about hte paint job and cared more about getting stuff painted for tourneys.
Originally posted by Dr Sanch
The GW standard isn\'t as good as it was. I liked seeing really well painted models, one because they look good and secondly because it inspires me to paint better. Now the newly painted stuff looks rushed to meet the printing deadline for the magazine or the book.
Ebonbuddha
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I was thingking they dummied down the paiting just like they did everything else.
Ebonbuddha
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I was inspired to try harder by the old school \'Eavy Metal teams too.
I have said it once. I have said it again.there is more out there than Games Workshop.
I have said it once. I have said it again.there is more out there than Games Workshop.
Originally posted by Ritual
Sadly, I don\'t think it\'s the talent of the \'Eavy Metal team that is the problem. It\'s the way the company chooses to portray their products. If the executives believe it\'s better for business to keep an \'average Joe\' standard, that\'s what they will have, no matter how talented painters they have at their disposal.Originally posted by green stuff
Let\'s all hope that Anja can bring a change to that
Getting new people into the hobby is just great. But for my part, I was first facinated by the \'Eavy Metal pages done at the time of Mike McVey.
Besides, teaching a bit of patience to the little buggers could be considered as civical
Mike was my first source of inspiration as well. It would be cool to see something painted recently by him.
Ebonbuddha
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Spoken perfectly, my friend.
Ebonbuddha
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What in the hell is that suppose tot be???
Originally posted by Modderrhu
I can appreciate that the goal of GW is to attract young blood. What I can not appreciate is this sort of thing; :|~
This from the guys that hold the Golden Daemon competitions? Sorry, but GW are neglecting half of the gaming hobby.
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provoke_me
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trying to up your poset count eh Ebonbuddha?
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provoke_me
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yeah me 2
green stuff
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Some form of Slaanesh spawn :
http://uk.games-workshop.com/convershunklinic/wh-slaaneshisnakespawn/
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Warworks
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Actually, I kinda like them...
I may be alone in this, but I really wouldn\'t mind having some of those pre-heresy models in an army I played. It\'s not that I don\'t appreciate good painting (obviously, being on CMON and all). But I have suits for work, and grubbies for painting in; similarly, I have nice models for display, and not-as-nice models to play with. Sometimes it doesn\'t have to be stunning, y\'know?
@Ritual - the Privateer Press Rivet Head Studios (as far as I know) is still being led by Mike McVey. I don\'t have it handy, but there is some pretty sweet McVey stuff in the gallery section of the Privateer 2005 catalog.
I may be alone in this, but I really wouldn\'t mind having some of those pre-heresy models in an army I played. It\'s not that I don\'t appreciate good painting (obviously, being on CMON and all). But I have suits for work, and grubbies for painting in; similarly, I have nice models for display, and not-as-nice models to play with. Sometimes it doesn\'t have to be stunning, y\'know?
@Ritual - the Privateer Press Rivet Head Studios (as far as I know) is still being led by Mike McVey. I don\'t have it handy, but there is some pretty sweet McVey stuff in the gallery section of the Privateer 2005 catalog.
