Harbinger shuts its doors

Harbinger

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Hi Guys,

Many thanks for the condolences and commiserations. I can confirm that the statement is indeed true and this is the end of the road for Harbinger.

This whole situation is a complete kick in the nether-regions for all concerned. As far as I am aware (not being privy to the actual meetings) we\'ve basically been asset-stripped by our new investors in order to allow them to prop up one of their failing business ventures – a particularly ironic situation given that of all their interests the most risky was Harbinger, this industry not being the most stable of those they operate in.

It is doubly ironic as over the last couple of months we had finally turned the corner. A magazine, any magazine, is a frighteningly huge undertaking in terms of work and money. Not everyone will be aware of this but in order to have WH Smith stock a magazine in this country (beyond proving without a shadow of a doubt that the title will sell, fills a niche, has potential and various other hoops of fire that take months to negotiate) a manufacturer must be prepared to pay WH Smith a minimum of 10,000 GBP. They must then fill WH Smith\'s order numbers (which are decided by WH Smith) and then only receive payments for what WH Smith actually sells NOT what they order (essentially meaning that WH Smith could, if they so desired, put someone out of business by ordering ten times what they actually sell leaving the publisher to pick up the print bills and shipping costs – as the sales figures are sent out every two or three months this is a very real possibility for a small business, one slip, one cash flow issue and it\'s all over).

As I say, we had just begun to turn the corner, survived the above mentioned pitfalls and then this happens. Our numbers continued to rise month by month, we were no longer making a loss on subscriptions (shipping price-breaks being what they are) and manufacturers were getting more and more used to working with a monthly magazine.

Sadly the nature of business does not take this into account, of all their ventures ours was the least profitable in the long run and so we were sacrificed.

On a purely personal note the whole situation absolutely sickens me. Having just got married in August this was not the start to the New Year I was looking for. A job that I loved, in an industry that I love, has been taken away from me. Everyone involved with Harbinger made huge sacrifices in order to make it work, often personal sacrifices. Most of us, myself included, could have made far more money working in other industries, we could have had the benefits of pensions, health care, company cars and so on. But our love of this industry and our belief in the magazine was worth all the hard work and all the sacrifices – as I\'m sure anyone in the industry will tell you, we don\'t work here for the money, just the fun and the desire to be part of such a fantastic community.

The handling of the whole situation has been underhanded and callous at best. Mark was ordered to let myself and Dave go with immediate effect, no warning and no money. It was only through his bull headedness and loyalty that we didn\'t find ourselves looking for work without a penny to our names (again as anyone in the industry will tell you; it\'s not one that lends itself to savings accounts) and if he hadn\'t stuck his neck out for us and dug in his heels we wouldn\'t have received a penny in severance pay – it seems the asset stripping of Harbinger was to extend to include the people who worked there.

More than that though in an effort to facilitate their plan our investors attempted to drive a wedge between myself and Mark and called our friendship into question – a friendship that has existed for 12 years and goes all the way back to my first job. Business is business and these things happen every day but to take such an underhanded and calculatedly vicious tack has left a distinctly bad taste in the mouth.

Anyway, I apologise for the length of this rant, there were some things that I needed to get off my chest and I apologise to anyone who\'s been trying to reach me by email – I hope to be able to check my mails over the next few days and I\'ll catch up with everyone as much as I can.

See you for chapter II – THE JOB HUNT…

Jamie
 

borg

Administrator
A shame to see the magazine go, and surely a shame to see a personal letter posted on TMP when it clearly asked for a few days for affairs to be sorted.

Good luck to everyone at Harbinger through all this. It was certainly a great effort and appreciated by many. You will be missed.

All the best.
 

Wren

Member
I\'m really sorry to hear about this also. And particularly saddened to hear how it\'s happening. It\'d be one thing (and an understandable one) for the venture to have failed, it\'s quite another that it\'s death due to sabotage. :( I hope those involved are all able to find new positions that they can find some fulfillment in.

It was great to have an independent voice on the hobby. And while the Internet is an invaluable resource, pages come and go, but a book or magazine is a resource you have forever if you can avoid flood, fire and the like.
 

TAB Studio

New member
Originally posted by borg
A shame to see the magazine go, and surely a shame to see a personal letter posted on TMP when it clearly asked for a few days for affairs to be sorted.

Oh so do I agree!!!


@Harbinger
I am very glad you and your business associates saw through the guise and you did not lose your friendship...
that is the stuff of legends
not a piece of paper but a true and loyal friend.
So you have really gained in hind site not lost
You know now how much you are cared for by Mark and I feel loyal friends are worth far more than many things.
I hope you ALL find the pot of Gold at the end of the rainbow.
Your noble efforts are by many appreciated, myself included.
You all gave me my first vote of confidance and I will ever cherish your publications.
Thank you for your efforts again
Tracy
 

Modderrhu

New member
Originally posted by Harbinger
Anyway, I apologise for the length of this rant, there were some things that I needed to get off my chest...
Not at all. It\'s good to have heard from the horse\'s mouth.

What\'s going to happen to the minis now? Will Griffin be doing them, or are they all out of production?
 

paintingploddy

New member
As one who publicly abandoned ship I\'m still sorry to see this day. I harboured the hope that one day I would pick up a magazine that I enjoyed reading. Good luck in the future, I\'m sure we\'ll hear from you all again.
 

Ebonbuddha

Active member
Dammit!:mad: Why do the good suffer?

I hate to see the mag go under. I was about to order all of the back issues too.
Dammit!

Is it possible to get them?
 

Wren

Member
Originally posted by Ebonbuddha
I hate to see the mag go under. I was about to order all of the back issues too.
Dammit!

Is it possible to get them?

Even if it\'s not possible to get them from Harbinger directly currently, there\'s at least three places I\'ve seen online that have many of the issues (and each of them has different ones). The shipping is a bit steep, but Harbinger is printed on heavy, high quality paper.

Paizo
Do or Dice
Noble Knight (also a good place to find OOP minis, RPG books and so on, though they sell new things as well)

I didn\'t have a subscription as we got many of the issues in stock at work, and I\'d pick up whatever I\'d missed at GenCon, but I guess I\'ll have to get the ones I\'m missing online also. :(
 

UncleHex

New member
Having just discussed a few things with Mark, I can tell you it is still perfectly safe for everyone who wants back issues to order them from directly from the Harbinger web site if they wish. The site will not be disappearing anytime soon and the extra revenue may go some way to helping us minimise our losses. It is also worth mentioning that Griffin miniatures should (hopefully) be relatively unaffected by the demise of the magazine in the long term and will continue to process these orders (while stocks last).

Cheers,
Dave Hughes.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
I will regret Harbinger\'s demise, but I have suspected for the last couple of weeks that something like this was in the offing.
I had hoped to be proven wrong, but sadly this is not the case.
 

Mosch

Active member
You know, in the last Harbinger Thread, everybody was wailing how the magazine went down the drain. How the quality deteriorated, yadda yadda yadda. Now the magazine has gone belly up and everybody is sad.

Here\'s what I think.

I think the loss of Harbinger is not a big one. I think that towards the end the magazine sucked. I am sympathetic for those who lost their jobs though - hope you guys find something better quickly.
And still, my collector soul cries for me to get a complete set of Harbinger. Now to look which back issues I still need....
 

paintingploddy

New member
I understand what you are saying Mosch, but believe it or not I hoped that despite my whinging and my decision not to renew they would somehow turn around and six months a year even I would pick up a copy and be astounded by the improvement. A pipedream I know, but it would have been nice. Now I\'ll have to wait for some other brave soul to jump in and find out if he can swim.
 

Infidel Castro

New member
Originally posted by UncleHex
Having just discussed a few things with Mark, I can tell you it is still perfectly safe for everyone who wants back issues to order them from directly from the Harbinger web site if they wish. The site will not be disappearing anytime soon and the extra revenue may go some way to helping us minimise our losses. It is also worth mentioning that Griffin miniatures should (hopefully) be relatively unaffected by the demise of the magazine in the long term and will continue to process these orders (while stocks last).

Cheers,
Dave Hughes.

Dave, hope all is well mate. Sounds like a right old shitter of a situation.
 

minimaker

New member
I can see what Mosch means. At the end of the first year I took some time to evaluate the magazine and basicly decided to give it some time since I had the feeling it was improving. And as it is, is has improved (well, for me) in the later monts. Sure, I still skipped half the articles, but that\'s quite normal for these magazines. I had the same time with all my scale modelling magazines. There I skipped everything that had nothing to do with military vehicles or scale modelling techniques.

As I said, shame to see it go. Especially in such a rotten way. By the way, who are the investors that are referred too?
 

finn17

New member
Well, being a dunce...

It\'s not often I can say, \"told you so...\"

My contribution from the previous Harbinger thread:

Some harsh words here..

I subscribe, and will continue to subscribe, because it is the only alternative to White Dwarf.

I look on their distribution issues as homely \'quirks\'.

God Bless \'em and long may they continue...

If we let Harbinger die...then we all thoroughly deserve the alternative...


As we all have something to share in this hobby. I\'ts about time we cut some slack for those people who make an effort to do something adventurorous and different instead of slagging them off all the time.....????

Rant over;)
 

paintingploddy

New member
$15.00 an issue is a lot of slack to cut. I\'m sorry they are gone but I helped give them, the two year start and I\'m sorry, but the point comes when I stop acting on faith alone. I wish them well, and if another independent mag was to start off tomorrow they would probably get a 12 month subscription from me to begin with.
 

ronin412

New member
I wish they could have sorted out the problems too I don\'t play the games I only paint and Harbinger was far superior then other mags of its type, but after the way they have treated me about various things over the past two years I can honestly say I won\'t be shedding a tear. The whole attitude toward the customer needed a serious shake up and the amount of people I know and have read about cancelling their subscriptions this was inevitable.
 
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