Hateful Soul needs to be removed

[Commander Y]

There is a user that goes by the name of \"Socker,\" who has no pictures of his own up, but amuses himself by posting comments on other people\'s work. Every time I have seen a comment, it has been hateful and unconstructive, usually containg foul or inappropriate language. In addition, his rating is always \"1,\" regardless of quality. He has hit my Imperial Noble entry (avg. 6.5, his rating 1), as well as David Lindegren\'s Mephiston (avg rating ca. 8, his rating 1), and several others I have noticed.
Heretic needs to be purged from the CoolMiniOrNot records.

Y

 

[theorkcollector]

YEAH!!! uhh...oops

yes he does...but i also do, not always at a 1 (but mainly outsied GW get a 1). I\'m just not familiar with those minis. if i knew them a bit more, maybe they\'d get a higher score. prolly need to learn a bit more about miniatures...*mumbles incomprehensibly*

 

[Commander Y]

But remember, Collector -- While the site is called \"Cool MINI or not,\" you are not only to be judging the model itself, but rather its accompanying paintjob and presentation. It\'s meant to be a painting competition, not a corporate product competition.
If we were only to judge model quality, sadly usually influenced by its name brand, we could all just view primed tins, with no paint at all. It\'s not what it\'s about.
So if it\'s a Void mini, or a Warzone mini, or a Confrontation mini, or a Reaper mini (et al), it gets a lower score because you\'ve never seen it before?
There are some really nice paintjobs and photos on here of really LOUSY models. Those should score higher than a really crappy paintjob on a model that is familiar to you.

Y

 

[Craftergoddess]

Brand loyalty

What is it people -- High School again and again? Someone is \'in\' and someone else is \'out\' because he or she isn\'t wearing the right brand of jeans or doesn\'t listen to BoyBand X or ChickSinger Y? Didn\'t some (most?) of us get that c**p at HS, and wasn\'t it enough even then? Do we really need to continue doing this sort of brand tribalization in our hobby?

If someone says \'Hold on, I have a surprise-dinner for you\' and he brings filet Mignon, do you scream for food from McDee instead of finding out what *is* filet Mignon?

I cannot say that GW is *my* favorite -- I could list several reasons for that -- but I can *still* appreciate well-painted GW miniatures. Sticking to a single brand and product line is, in my experience, something that resembles living in a denial and the side effects of such condition, while not devastating, are annoying enough.

Likewise, believing into One True Way of Painting is foolish: there\'s so much one can experiment with paint -- if the miniature isn\'t plastic, you can always soak the paint off and try something else. I\'ve been tinkering with the thought of applying some surrealistic effects to some dragon miniatures I have. I have experimented with pointilism. I\'ve tried out many styles, and I will continue testing ideas -- whether or not they are successful, is a completely different story. My complete collection webpage has all images available, along with my own thoughts about it; there, I am willing to share the images of my newbie days and my biggest gloobers.

(Perhaps there *should* be such category available in this place as well? The skilled painters showing their \'bad miniature day\' miniatures, their newbie-days products and whatever raspberries they think as \'uncool\'? And we could give turkey points to these specific miniatures?)

Just because it isn\'t GW or painted according to the holy writ of True Way of Painting, it can rock your world, folks!

 

[Commander Y]

Ms. Goddess...
Juding from the types of comments made by the posters in question, and the language they use...
I believe they are probably STILL in High School.
The best thing we can hope for, I think, would be for these messages to be moderated, or have posting restrictions with regards to language -- And while they can still be cruel and insulting, at least everyone that visits this board won\'t be subjected to their vulgarity and profanity.

Y

 

[Biggles604]

Orkcollector....

Orkcollector: You are one of the reasons that CMON irritates a lot of people. Just because a figure isn\'t GW doesn\'t mean it\'s crap. If you like what you see, then rate it accordingly. You don\'t need to know what the figure is like, you rate it on your own feeling about a piece, and if you don\'t feel you can judge it fairly, then use the arrow to skip that piece.

\"YEAH!!! uhh...oops

yes he does...but i also do, not always at a 1 (but mainly outsied GW get a 1). I\'m just not familiar with those minis. if i knew them a bit more, maybe they\'d get a higher score. prolly need to learn a bit more about miniatures...*mumbles incomprehensibly*

 

[Shroud]

I agree. A person who skims through images posting unconstructive comments peppered with foul language and giving obviously idiotic scores needs to get the boot from CMON.

 

[terrene]

I think that harsh comments have their place and shouldn\'t be totally banned, and I think there wouldn\'t technically really be any way of blocking a given person from the pages (they can always create a new handle, no?).

However, I think it wouldn\'t hurt to have some kind of censorship in the comments. If someone writes something that is obviously just inflammatory and intended to put down the person who posted, I think the comment should just be removed. At least that way the site could show newbie painters that such pointless aggression isn\'t everyone\'s opinion (as it can often seem if the only comment you get on a mini is a mean one). As for experienced painters, they probably don\'t pay them much mind anyway.

This might mean a lot of work for the admins, tho. I\'m guessing this is pretty much a volunteer-run site?

As for brand loyalty/fanaticism, that just comes with the territory. After all, when you post on CMON, you\'re asking for the general public opinion, and there are gonna be people in that public who don\'t want to judge things from the same basis as you do. I prefer to believe that the large number of votes and averaging eliminates most of those kind of grumbles anyway.

My two cents. I think CMON works well and has enough helpful people on it to be cool even with the occasional bully.

 

[LordofthePit]

I agree

I don\'t think censorship would do the site any good, and also I don\'t think it\'s necessary; most of the bully\'s out there get a lot of critisism after posting these comments, so the painter knows what people really think.

I agree that \'I don\'t know the mini, so I give it a 1\' is a lousy excuse, just click on the arrow to skip it or just look at the paintjob...
By the way I haven\'t seen a single mini on this site that deserves a 1

 

[Chrispy]

Right-o!

I think the lowest score I\'ve seen is 2.9, and that was
converted ok, but it wasn\'t even primed. I think, following
this rule, a sprue uncut would be a 1. Barely.

 

[dachande]

I actually enjoy flaming the children who post those ridiculous comments [orkcollector, socker, aprabor (?)]. Simple fools, all.

Moderation NEEDS to be looked into. I mentioned this in another forum topic on this site, and it was generally accepted.

The easiest way around the idiots is to make it so that only picture posters can make comments. That simple. You might notice that when you see a mentally-challenged comment, and you click on the poster\'s name to see the incredible painting skill they posess to be able to make such demeaning and demoralizing comments, that low and behold, NOTHING!

 

[umdamransemn]

ElfCorner problem

yes the person by the name of \"elfcorner\" is just as bad. i have seen not one of his posts that have been good, and i say this out of truth. i myself have seen many of \"theorkcollector\"s posts to be encouraging in some way, and i think they have their place in this world.
:|~

 

[umdamransemn]

just realised

dachande, it would\'nt be wise to only allow picture posters to allow comments. people deserve a right to express themselves, but sometimes they just praise everything to avoid being critisised. take \"Warboss Gord\" as an example not one of his posts are discouraging. and he has not a single miniature in his gallery. it is exactly the same as insulting, in its own right.

 

[dachande]

I agree with you to a certain extent, but wouldn\'t it make you want to post a picture just to be able to make comments (good or bad)?

Putting a restriction on who can make comments might be heavy-handed to some, but then could moderation be the answer? I believe it could work. Issue warnings to those who make the rude comments and use the foul language. If they get three warnings, they\'re removed from the system. Sure, they can come back with a new call name, but the administrators can monitor the memberships via e-mail addresses. Easy.

 

[Errex]

Yeah, as easy as getting new e-mail adresses...lol

 

[dachande]

If someone would go through all the trouble of a different e-mail address just to be an idiot on a public forum, then that is a sad person indeed.

 

[BrotherDrake]

Everything in Moderation

Ok, so it was a lousy pun and I should be stabbed repeatedly in the stomach for it, but moderation in a public message board is a necessity.

Power-hungry moderators need to inspire fear into the general populous now and again. A quick account deletion here; a banning there; it\'s all part of the job. One can only hope that those on the \"business end\" of such a fate are wholly deserving.

I\'m not going to be hypocritical and say that in my tenure over at TheWarp, I\'ve been completely unbiased; but, I\'ve done the job to the best of my abilities...and I believe that this is all you could ask of moderators (which, not coincidentally, is all that I ask of mine).

As far as \"rogue users\" are concerned, perhaps C.M.O.N. can keep tabs on all users\' comments. Alternatively, a \"Report User\" function could be implemented so that Site Moderators / Administrators can be made aware (quickly and easily) of users that are detrimental to C.M.O.N..

Anyway, I\'ll finish up my random musing here.

-BD (http://www.thewarp.net)
\"Waddle Doodle\"

 

[eparchos]

Honestly, I\'d rather have flames than inept advice or no comments at all. But all these things must be tolerated and even encouraged for this sort of a forum to thrive. Once we start shutting people up, where do we stop?
I\'m not a big fan of imbeciles, but the fact is that anybody is easy to ignore on the Internet. Three little words: Just don\'t look!
Seriously, though, if this guy is such an idiot that you don\'t consider him \"worthy\" to be on this site, why do you take him seriously enough to try and get him booted?
The world is full of sphincters, the best thing to do is plug your nose and wade on through.
To think about it another way, he\'s wasting his time posting some rude comment about your mini... that means he looked at it and felt like commenting. The biggest insult would be to ignore your mini.

 

[U4-Welcome]

Nice shot digging out an old thread
(on topic : I\'d rather get no comment than a gratuitous and inane flame, thank you)

 

[wightzombie]

\"\"\"\"The easiest way around the idiots is to make it so that only picture posters can make comments. That simple.\"\"\"\"\"

well then i wouldnt be at this site nor would my thousands of votes and hundreds of comments

my minis are boring, no reason to post ehre and waste bandwidth unless i wanted help.

easiest way is to breeze through the comments before upload. aka a few moderators.