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Shawn R. L.

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Even thought I\'m disheartened by the candidates and how the will of the people is thwarted by the activist judges who strike down what we vote for I still vote.................Good people died so I can have that right and it\'s to honor them that I vote anyway.
 

No Such Agency

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Even thought I\'m disheartened by the candidates and how the will of the people is thwarted by the activist judges who strike down what we vote for I still vote.................Good people died so I can have that right and it\'s to honor them that I vote anyway.
Don\'t forget those judges are the Judicial Branch, an important part of the checks-and-balances concept of government. It\'s their job to ensure that democracy does not simply become a tyranny of the majority - and sometimes that means ruling that \"popular\" laws are not just or not legally consistent. If citizens could not challenge the law in court, in front of a judge who could potentially rule in their favour, this entire branch would simply be a rubber-stamping body for the Executive and Legislative branches.

And don\'t forget, for every \"activist\" judicial decision that gone against what you believe, there\'s probably been one supporting something you DO believe.
 

supervike

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Originally posted by No Such Agency

And don\'t forget, for every \"activist\" judicial decision that gone against what you believe, there\'s probably been one supporting something you DO believe.

There are judges that believe in mandatory topless laws for all nurses?:rolleyes:
 

Shawn R. L.

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Originally posted by No Such Agency
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Even thought I\'m disheartened by the candidates and how the will of the people is thwarted by the activist judges who strike down what we vote for I still vote.................Good people died so I can have that right and it\'s to honor them that I vote anyway.
Don\'t forget those judges are the Judicial Branch, an important part of the checks-and-balances concept of government. It\'s their job to ensure that democracy does not simply become a tyranny of the majority - and sometimes that means ruling that \"popular\" laws are not just or not legally consistent. If citizens could not challenge the law in court, in front of a judge who could potentially rule in their favour, this entire branch would simply be a rubber-stamping body for the Executive and Legislative branches.

And don\'t forget, for every \"activist\" judicial decision that gone against what you believe, there\'s probably been one supporting something you DO believe.

Seperation of powers is CRUCIAL......BUT many judges act in an autocratic manner making up interpretations to suit their own agenda and ignoring the constitution, the law, the people\'s vote.

The way the interstate commerce law has been hijacked is a prime example of a law that has been \'interpreted soooooo loosley that it can now apply to almost anything anywhere. It\'s too bad because operating with such an arrogant attitude they undermine their own credibility and do GREAT damage to a VERY VITAL branch of our government.

The 9th circuit court is famous for \'creative\' interpretations which leaves it so loose that they can judge by whim and their decisions simply contradict the constitution. It simply leaves the constitution meaningless......sad.
 

ebullition

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I turn 18 in 2 weeks, and I am excited to show up to the polls for the next election(whether it is municipal, provincial, or federal). Although Id probably just end up spoling the ballot.
 
Well Ohio did as expected and voters tossed republicans like it was a sport. so well she what change makes.

I did see that Lieberman won as an independant.. thats interesting.
 

MarkusTay

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I would prefer topless librarians, and I think NSA would agree.

Voted, even though I don\'t think it counts in the long run. At least we have a the first female Speaker of the House, that should make the conservative half of the country sick to their stomachs.

A woman who doesn\'t want to be barefoot and pregnant baking brownies for her girlscout troop? What is this country coming to?! :eek:

lol

Hopefully the Dem\'s will take the Senate too, otherwise we are going to have a legislature that can\'t get ANYTHING done for the next two years. So far doesn\'t look good for the Senate, but Hilary took NY by a landslide so we might be looking at another Clinton in the White House next time out.

Would that make Bill \'the first gentleman\'? :D

EDIT: Wow! hot topic! 3 posts before mine!
 

Brimshack

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Originally posted by No Such Agency
Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Even thought I\'m disheartened by the candidates and how the will of the people is thwarted by the activist judges who strike down what we vote for I still vote.................Good people died so I can have that right and it\'s to honor them that I vote anyway.
Don\'t forget those judges are the Judicial Branch, an important part of the checks-and-balances concept of government. It\'s their job to ensure that democracy does not simply become a tyranny of the majority - and sometimes that means ruling that \"popular\" laws are not just or not legally consistent. If citizens could not challenge the law in court, in front of a judge who could potentially rule in their favour, this entire branch would simply be a rubber-stamping body for the Executive and Legislative branches.

And don\'t forget, for every \"activist\" judicial decision that gone against what you believe, there\'s probably been one supporting something you DO believe.

Seperation of powers is CRUCIAL......BUT many judges act in an autocratic manner making up interpretations to suit their own agenda and ignoring the constitution, the law, the people\'s vote.

The way the interstate commerce law has been hijacked is a prime example of a law that has been \'interpreted soooooo loosley that it can now apply to almost anything anywhere. It\'s too bad because operating with such an arrogant attitude they undermine their own credibility and do GREAT damage to a VERY VITAL branch of our government.

The 9th circuit court is famous for \'creative\' interpretations which leaves it so loose that they can judge by whim and their decisions simply contradict the constitution. It simply leaves the constitution meaningless......sad.

The Commerce Clause has indeed been bloated beyond belief. And indefensible judgements on other issues are hardly unusual. The fact that the Commerce Clause is your exibit A tells me you\'ve thought about this more than most, so I don\'t mean to be too combative here. With words like \"many\" it\'s hard to tell if you and I would really disagree on any particular.

I will say that I think complaints about \"activist judges\" are often quite unfair. Too often people voice that position when in fact the only thing they have to go on is their own disagreement with the political outcome. As a general rule, I think the notion of an activist judge does more to prejudice the debate than to advance a sound argument.

If a judgement is inappropriate, then that can be shown without the attack on the judge. If the inappropriateness of a judgement cannot be shown, then tossing the term \"activist\" out there too often skews the emotions too even start with the question. Quite often the \"liberal activist judges\" (that usually is the full phrasing) turn out to be conservative appointments with conservative records. They become \'liberals\" and \"activists\" when they make a decision people don\'t appreicate. All in all, I think it would be better to simply stick to the details on a specific case when the time comes. Stories about the judiciary getting too political just aren\'t that helpful.

I will add that some of the \"activist\" decisions were absolutely essential to important political victories. Had it not been for Brown v. Board of Education, this country would still have slavery (in the guise of Jim Crow Laws). That\'s a classic decision that is often tauted as politically motivated, and lots of people like to suggest it would have been better left to the democratic process. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that the political process had completely and utterly failed in that instance. If black people can vote, if they can eat in public, ride the subway, live without fear of lynching, this is due in large part to the decisions of some very \"activist\" judges.

Are there cases and issues where judges have had less standing and produced worse results, absolutely. But the judiciary is a branch of our political and they are supposed to stand up to the democratic process from time to time. In at least some instances, it has been a damn good thing that they did.
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by Shawn R. L.
Even thought I\'m disheartened by the candidates and how the will of the people is thwarted by the activist judges who strike down what we vote for I still vote.................Good people died so I can have that right and it\'s to honor them that I vote anyway.
No offense to you Shawn, but I am really sick of people tossing around the phrase \"activist judges\" whenever judges make decisions they don\'t like.
Judges are inherently passive. They don\'t do anything at all until someone else brings them a case. That means someone else has already decided that the law in question (in the case of invalidating a law) is contrary to the constitution. The judge is just agreeing with that person.
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by Brimshack
Had it not been for Brown v. Board of Education, this country would still have slavery (in the guise of Jim Crow Laws). That\'s a classic decision that is often tauted as politically motivated, and lots of people like to suggest it would have been better left to the democratic process. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that the political process had completely and utterly failed in that instance.
Not only that, but the actual ruling in Brown said the states had to desegregate \"with all due haste\" (or something equally vague), leaving it specifically to the states to desegregate in the most orderly and reasonable manner as possible. For many states, that meant not at all, until the federal Executive forced them. Democracy is a dangerous thing if it\'s not also accompanied by the rule of law.
 

Sand Rat

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Originally posted by MarkusTay
I At least we have a the first female Speaker of the House, that should make the conservative half of the country sick to their stomachs.

A woman who doesn\'t want to be barefoot and pregnant baking brownies for her girlscout troop? What is this country coming to?!
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I kinda take umbrage at this one Markus - I consider my self a conservative (Not a NeoCon or any of that crap(and I have been told by several of my \"Liberal\" friends that politically I\'m somewhere to the right of Ghengis Khan)) and have no problem with the entire concept of a female speaker of the house, or for that matter a female president or a female in any other leadership role in America or any other nation for that matter.

Now having said that, I don\'t feel that Pelosi is the best candidate for the job but it should be an interesting next few years.

The one thing about our form of Republic Mobocracy is that the voters and non voters both may not get what they want, but sometimes do get what they do deserve.
 

hakoMike

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So the big question...

will it be Clinton/Obama \'08 or Obama/Clinton \'08?

obamaclinton.com is owned by Kenneth Schweitzer of Coral Springs, FL
clintonobama.com is owned by Michael Grizzi, managed by Network Solutions.
Hats off to speculative investing?

Anyone remember the sordid tale of Mr. Kerry Edwards? Oh man was that funny.
 

Baltius

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Originally posted by MarkusTay
I At least we have a the first female Speaker of the House, that should make the conservative half of the country sick to their stomachs.

A woman who doesn\'t want to be barefoot and pregnant baking brownies for her girlscout troop? What is this country coming to?!
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I have to take umbrage with this remark as well. We have a female secretary of state who also happens to be african american. Our current president gets no credit for putting many minorities in important positions but the second a democrat takes one it is a landmark event.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design
ABC news is reporting Donald Rumsfeld is resigning.. I wonder if this is the beginning of the trickel down effect.


I just saw this on the wire as well. What would be magnificent is if Bush then appoints Lieberman as Sec. of Defense. The the Rep. Governor of Conn. could appoint a replacement Rep. senator. to fill the vacant seat. That would be fantastic.


EDIT: Looks like Bush has nominated Robert Gates.
 

vincegamer

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Originally posted by Baltius
Our current president gets no credit for putting many minorities in important positions but the second a democrat takes one it is a landmark event.
actually, at the time he got plenty of credit. However, Rice was neither the first female secretary of state nor the first african-american secretary of state, so there wasn\'t really much ground-breaking there.
 

philologus

Subgenius
Originally posted by MarkusTay
I At least we have a the first female Speaker of the House, that should make the conservative half of the country sick to their stomachs.

A woman who doesn\'t want to be barefoot and pregnant baking brownies for her girlscout troop? What is this country coming to?!
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Maybe she should confine herself to baking brownies based on her record in Congress. In the 109th Congress she has sponsored or cosponsored 214 resolutions. Better than 75% are renaming post offices, recognizing individuals or groups or issuing commemorative currency. Real Substance. Check out the Congresional record for yourself


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funnymouth

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Originally posted by vincegamer
actually, at the time he got plenty of credit. However, Rice was neither the first female secretary of state nor the first african-american secretary of state, so there wasn\'t really much ground-breaking there.


besides, everyone knows srice is an old white guy wearing a mask.

either way, im excited about the election results! and rumsfelfed hits the bricks! im dreaming, right? no...left....
 
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