Hi Shawn Classroom #1 for OSL... TAB

[Shawn R. L.]

I\'m game. Post some pic\'s.

@vincegammer - Sorry I missed your\'s. The thread disderpeared for a while and I stopped looking for it so often. Is that fellow done? Are you still wanting to do something more to him?

 

[fortunesfool]

Thanks for agreeing to help. We\'re going to start off with 2 sets of pictures.

The first picture is to show the genesis of the figure. It was originally the crewman of the flame cannon. As the pic shows he was fairly extensively converted. The only thing this pic doesn\'t show is that afterwards, I decided to do him OSL. Upon deciding this I decided that the light source over his shoulder although excellent would provide a much higher contrast (especially on his face) if I included a very low secondary light source. By looking at the second picture You can see that I did this by making a pipe for him to be smoking.

Here I painted a light map from the primary (white) and the secondary (yellow). My intent is to have the primary shade into a blue light source. I would like the secondary light source to be a very low light red similar to the dying embers of a fire.

So where do we go?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

This can be a bit of a \'back and forth\' process so I hope you are patient. Where the pipe glow shines on his front, paint that burnt sienna (reddish rust) and paint the coal in the pipe white.

The projected areas of the other lightsource, paint them a dull blue. . http://www.theawristocrat.com/pantone.php .about the color PMS 659 then post some wips

 

[fortunesfool]

Orders received. Will try and have them done in the next day or so.

 

[fortunesfool]

I got thinking about it and wanted to make sure that I got the burnt sienna right (as I\'ve already checked several colour charts on the web and the colours vary quite distinctly with some being more burnt than others). At the moment I\'m thinking it would be PMS 173, 174 or 158, 159. Am I anywhere close to what you envision burnt sienna to look like?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

159 or 167 are close enough - I\'m talking about the color BELOW the number.


http://www.theawristocrat.com/pantone.php

 

[fortunesfool]

Okay. I went through and did what you said. I have to admit that I took a little license with the burnt sienna but that is quickly covered up if you don\'t like it. The blue took some mixing but I got it nigh perfect to the PMS colour on my monitor. If you need bigger pictures, I can break it down into smaller packages. My host seems to want to shrink things down whenever I do a panorama view.

Whatcha think?

 

[Shawn R. L.]

A few things I need to make clear up front, just so there is no misunderstanding - I have found that monitors can vary A LOT and what may be light brown on your monitor may look like mauve on mine so there can be some confusion there....I\'ll do my best. The way a photo is shot, especially lighting and exposure, can make me see something different from the real deal. And last. I\'m probably not going to be able to get things perfect for you BUT if you can take what I try to teach you here and run with it I do believe you will eventually \'get it\'. I\'ll try to teach you some of the basics, get you headed in the right direction and off you go. Keep posting stuff but PRACTICE and READ THE ARTICLE................Mmmm k\'?

Now, as to what you have done so far. Lookin good so far. As shown in the article you will need to work in a concentric circle (bulls eye) with the center being where the light is brightest. In the blue lit areas, dont cover the whole area, but put 297 in the side of each lit area that is facing the light source. Put the paint on thicker as you get nearer the light source.

For the pipe, put a slightly watered down 1788 2x (way at the bottom) on just the area you painted white.

Do them thangs an re-post.

 

[fortunesfool]

Dude. Don\'t sweat it. I\'m not expecting the Mona Lisa here. Nor do I expect you to do it for me. I\'ve just had an interest in OSL for a while. Read your article about 20 times. Thought that I knew best and tried to do it a bit backwards (on this very same model). I painted the model up lovely and free of OSL and then tried to retroactively apply the highlights and shadows. I realized pretty quick that this works when you do OSL but not very well when you want pitch black OSL. So I\'m placing myself in your hands.

Will carry through on your suggestions and report back as soon as possible.

Do you want me to change the background that I\'m taking the photographs against.

 

[Teflon Billy]

Colored light on colored surface (not grey)

Shawn R.L.
Your OSL miniatures are amazing and have inspired me a great deal. I’ve read through the OSL guide in the Articles section of CMON and have skimmed through the pages of this extremely long post. I’ve recently begun painting an Eldar force and came across a warlock miniature that seemed, to me, to have great OSL potential.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/171505

I think I got a little ambitious with the color selections, however. I agree that painting a colored light reflecting off of a grey surface is the most intuitive, but what are your suggestions with colored lights off of colored surfaces? For example, I tried to bounce a green light off of a purple robe. In real life, I imagine that purple would absorb nearly all of the green light (that’s what purple does to that wavelength of light). My first version of this model actually used the same color pallet of the sword painted onto the reflected surfaces of the robe but it did not look right. It looked like a paint grenade hit the side of his robe and NOT like a reflected glow. I eventually faked the reflected light as a really bright white light, with a tinge of green.

 

[the catman]

so. shawn im planning to do a mini soon
http://uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/store.uk?do=Individual&code=99111102015&orignav=300808

the guy with the fire.
so I was wondering. in the reflection on the nmm do you do the colour (orange) or do you just highlight more (white). so what do you do???

 

[fortunesfool]

Okay Shawn, here are the current pics. I got a little carried away and decided to carry on creating the bulls\'eye that you spoke of. Although it needs some tidying up (and a dullcote to remove some of the shiny) the bulls\'eye is probably about 3/4\'s done to my mind. Thoughts? Changes?

Your ever listening student.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

Havent forgotten you all, just a bit busy. Get back to you soon.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@fortunes fool - Looking good. For the warm side - good technique but too bright. Take 724 or 721 Dosent really matter and wash over the orange parts that are further away from the light source, with only the very closest part being untouched. The furthest away should be almost completely covered over.

The blue side - using the most candy, colorful blue (2925 or brighter) you have do a wash over the center most part of the blue side. Make it a thin wash. On the rim of the flame holder, do it FULL STRENGTH. Do that stuff and re post with some against a white background and using the same camera angle\'s shoot it again with a black background. Re-post.

PMS CHART

http://www.theawristocrat.com/pantone.php

 

[blackfly]

Hey Shawn-

Just a theoretical question for you, since I haven\'t yet begun the project.

I read over your article, and all of this thread so I think I have a pretty solid understanding of how I\'m going to aproach it, but I was curious for your thoughts on metals with OSL.

You mentioned several pages back that regular metallics can destroy the osl effect, and I can sompletely understand how that would be the case.

I\'m curious if in your many OSL projects if you ever tried using glazes in the light source color over metallics, and if so if you had any success at it.

Or alternately, if you\'d ever tried to do the blending into the un-lightsourced areas as normal, but with something like Vallejo\'s metallic medium mixed in with the light source colors. It seems like it might be a somewhat intesive blending process to get right, but I\'m considering giving it a go. I\'ve had moderately good experiences with metallic medium in some applications. . . so I think I have a decent handle on it\'s capabilities and limitations.

Anyway, I just thought I\'d check with one of the masters for any opinions or experiences before I go off and try to re-invent the wheel.

Thanks!

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@ Teflon Billy (cool name)

You\'re 90% there. With what you are doing and trying to do I would cheat a bit and not go for \'reality\'. Your piece, which is done in a (and this is a good thing) bright, cartoonish colors I would use as a \'lit area\' on the robes around #3395 (PMS CHART BELOW). Instead of going for what would be a rather puke color which purple and lime green would give you I\'d lean it toward\'s a blue green - tilting more towards the green. SIMILAR but not exactly the same as the sword, have the blue green get lighter towards the area closer to the light source and at the edges far away blend it into the basic robe color. Dont go to white, have the parts closest to the light source be pastel, light pastel then when that dries put a THIN wash of the lime green over the area....thin.

Mmm k\'?


PMS CHART
http://www.theawristocrat.com/pantone.php

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@ the catman.

If I understand your question, I would make the reflection (on the metal surfaces) the exact color/tone that the flame is. Since the metal will be more reflective and transmit the light more fully and accurately. Try that and post a WIP.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

@blackfly - If I understand your question - a technique for doing OSL WITH metallics - I\'ve never done it as you described but I really dont see any problems with your idea. You would use the same principals but use a dye(I would suggest dye\'s as opposed to paint since the dye will give you color without messing up the metallic look) to give color and possibly use lighter and darker metallics to take care of the tone.

This is a really interesting idea I had never considered. Try it and post some WIP\'s......I\'m very curious and interested to see what is possible!!

 

[Teflon Billy]

Thank you for the suggestions, Shawn. I have another warlock with a slightly different pose that I will continue to practice my OSL techniques on. I\'m tempted to make this sword glow light blue, rather than green this time. The robe will still be purple. I was thinking that this would call for a hightlight color of PMS 278. After I finish a set of 8 Dire Avengers I\'m working on, I\'ll start the warlock and post the results.

Thank you again.

 

[Shawn R. L.]

You do as you wish.....but....I really think you are real close to having it work well. Either way, post a WIP of what you come up with.