BloodFather of Kharnath
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Voting is very suspect. Can someone please tell me how this result occurs?
http://www.coolminiornot.com/268818
http://www.coolminiornot.com/268818
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BloodFather of Kharnath
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Those 300 votes did not happen over the years. I can tell you with surety that they occurred around the time of the posting. Take a look in your own gallery and you will see that, unless a particular entry is listed in the top ten or some other way for it to be seen, the mini is forgotten about.
The discrepancy between registered and non-registered is too high. Especially given that the majority of voters were not registered and they are the ones that voted higher. This is not to say that it is a poorly painted mini...
The discrepancy between registered and non-registered is too high. Especially given that the majority of voters were not registered and they are the ones that voted higher. This is not to say that it is a poorly painted mini...
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That model is def at a correct average / vote . I rem it was in new and notables . There are some of my scores that are 4/1 even 5/1 ratios when it gets to new and notes as you stated . I'm pretty sure that's how and why it gets to that end result Benny boy...it's prob just more non registered voters doing their thing. I think the site is currently made up of more of them than us. However that model is worthy of that average no doubt about that.
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MAXXxxx
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sorry I wasn't logged in at the gallery, so I didn't see the registered votes.
But the effect (4 or 5 to 1 non-reg to reg and higher score from non-reg) is exactly because of advertising on other sites.
Example from my side: Mini with most votes is the Alahan army (160 votes, 48 from registered).
- Originally it stopped around 30 votes and a score of about 8.8 .
- Then I asked around on forums (wamp, das-bemahlforum, some gaming forums) for extra votes. I stated extra, that I need the number of votes and not straight 10-s. After about a week the number rose to about 100 votes with an average of 9.3-9.4. This means even though I asked for voting on merit most just gave a 10. Registered votes remained around 35.
- It also put the image to the top-week and on the main site too, meaning a lot more exposure. It also meant more critical people judging, some giving nice 6-7-s to 'balance out' the score (They also didn't vote on merit, but feelings, just in the opposite direction)
And this was done with No FB, no twitter, no instagram, no etc accounts. Now if you have those you can move a LOT more people. Compared to the possibilities 300 is pretty low number.
A different way to do this is what "Thau" does. He has basically everyone marked as a friend and if some votes are missing or if there is something new he writes Private Messaged to everyone to "vote on the newest mini". That also seam to work (I go to the pic and see that I already voted, so not again, but still it makes me go there and try to vote)
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but to be honest what motivates me more are the comments under the pics. If I feel uninspired then reading some of them makes me paint again.
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Bailey03
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Yup, I think MAXXxxx has it right. While voting patterns change over the years (for example, seems a lot harder to get 50+ votes unless you make it into the top last 7 days or new and notable but I don't believe that was always the case), this still looks like a high number of non-registered to registered votes. Looking at my own pieces, most of them have around 50% of the votes as registered. Anyway, as MAXXxxx pointed out, if you advertise on Facebook and other forums, that tends to increase the number of votes and also inflate the score. If you take a decent figure (one scoring an 8 for example) and then ask for votes on a gaming forum, there's a good chance it will get a lot of 10's because they're used to a different standard.
As for what's the right score for this one... hard to say. The small pictures make it hard to really judge the painting quality. In addition, the standard for what's a 9 or 10 has increased over time. So back in 2011 this may well have deserved a score like that.
The gallery score and artist rankings on this site are more like general measures rather than precise ones. You'll get pieces that seem to be scoring a bit too high or a bit too low for bizarre reasons. And, in terms of rankings, I can pick out quite a few people who are ranked behind me but are definitely better painters than I am. I don't care what the ranking says, if I go up against Skelette, Megazord, or Jessica Rich in a live competition I fully expect to lose. That being said, you aren't going to find many (or perhaps any) people ranked in the top 100 who should ranked 500+. And, while you'll get the occasional piece that should be scoring a 6 but is somehow scoring a 9.5, there's not a lot of people actively trying to cheat the system. So if something is a 9.5 but probably should be a 8.7, it's most likely that they've got a bunch of friendly votes or happened to pick a subject that connects with people.
As for what's the right score for this one... hard to say. The small pictures make it hard to really judge the painting quality. In addition, the standard for what's a 9 or 10 has increased over time. So back in 2011 this may well have deserved a score like that.
The gallery score and artist rankings on this site are more like general measures rather than precise ones. You'll get pieces that seem to be scoring a bit too high or a bit too low for bizarre reasons. And, in terms of rankings, I can pick out quite a few people who are ranked behind me but are definitely better painters than I am. I don't care what the ranking says, if I go up against Skelette, Megazord, or Jessica Rich in a live competition I fully expect to lose. That being said, you aren't going to find many (or perhaps any) people ranked in the top 100 who should ranked 500+. And, while you'll get the occasional piece that should be scoring a 6 but is somehow scoring a 9.5, there's not a lot of people actively trying to cheat the system. So if something is a 9.5 but probably should be a 8.7, it's most likely that they've got a bunch of friendly votes or happened to pick a subject that connects with people.
Given the date of the picture it's almost impossible to determine when a score has been added, And I've checked.
There is a high proportion of 7-10 votes, so I suspect this has been a "Friends and Family" level of padding in early days.
Comparing the more recent submissions, those are bottoming out around the 7-8 level.
Plus the painter has not been active for over a year, so any 'punative' action we could take now would just seem petty
There is a high proportion of 7-10 votes, so I suspect this has been a "Friends and Family" level of padding in early days.
Comparing the more recent submissions, those are bottoming out around the 7-8 level.
Plus the painter has not been active for over a year, so any 'punative' action we could take now would just seem petty
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