How much is it going to cost?

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
from Forbes magazine:
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In fact, some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy.

\"It\'s not based on any particular data point,\" a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. \"We just wanted to choose a really large number.\"

:( :eek: ???
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
I agree. As of this week, I have less in my retirement than I had at Jan 1. That means that all I\'ve had taken out of my check, all the company has matched, etc. were just to hold my head above water.

So far, they\'ve managed to add 2 years to my retirement date. But who\'s counting?
 

uberdark

New member
Originally posted by airhead
I agree. As of this week, I have less in my retirement than I had at Jan 1. That means that all I\'ve had taken out of my check, all the company has matched, etc. were just to hold my head above water.

So far, they\'ve managed to add 2 years to my retirement date. But who\'s counting?

i am so screwed at this point i stopped caring. i have my stuff through AIG and when a company loses 90% of its stock value in a week, then i can say goodbye to my portfolio. i managed to make back about 1/3 of what i lost, which was originally 70%. so yeah i lost about 10 K. but hopefully over time some of it will come back.
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Don\'t worry! Social Security will help!

Ohh... wait.... no, that\'s not going to work.

Uh, well, at least you\'ve got your health!

Oh shoot. Brushlickers. I forgot.

Er, well, uh... hmm...

Hope you\'ve got kids. Maybe you can have them reciprocate on the whole diaper thing.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
Originally posted by airhead
I agree. As of this week, I have less in my retirement than I had at Jan 1. That means that all I\'ve had taken out of my check, all the company has matched, etc. were just to hold my head above water.

So far, they\'ve managed to add 2 years to my retirement date. But who\'s counting?

We stopped calling it our 401k plan, and started calling it the 201k plan, as it was only worth 1/2 of what it was.

That was funny for a while, but now its a 101K plan.

I ain\'t laughing anymore.....
 

Aliengod3

Active member
Our government is terrible. The people voting on this bill are suppose to be representing the citizens of the states they represent and they are not doing it! Most people oppose the bill yet these damn D\'s and R\'s think that they know what is best for the country and are voting accordingly.

If this bill passes all that is going to happen is corporations will realize they can get away with anything, flounder their companies and have government bail them out at the average americans expense. It is complete bull****. :cussing:

I hate politicians.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by supervike
That was funny for a while, but now its a 101K plan.

I ain\'t laughing anymore.....

I just changed over to the 401 keg plan:


RETIREMENT PLAN INVESTMENT TIP

If you had purchased $1000.00 of Nortel stock one year ago, it would now be worth $49.00.

With Enron, you would have $16.50 left of the original $1000.

With WorldCom, you would have less than $5.00 left.

If you had purchased $1000.00 of Delta Air Lines stock you would have $49.00 left.

If you had purchased United Airlines, you would have nothing left.

But, if you had purchased $1000.00 worth of beer one year ago, drank all the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling refund, you would have $214.00.

Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle.

This is called the 401-Keg Plan.
 

Avelorn

Sven Jonsson
Next time this happen (in about 10 years)

Follow this routine:

When the market takes a sudden plunge because of some minor thing and everyone say \"it\'s not a big deal\" wait for it to go up and then sell everything. Wait for at least one year until it seems to get no worse. Then buy!

The top tip is always listen to the \"experts\" and do exactly the reverse.

The problem is of course that if everybody did like this... the system would collapse. It\'s all psychology and values that have no basis in reality.

The entire financial system is quite laughable in a morbid way. After this is over take a quick peak at the GINI indexes how wealth is distributed before and after. Some people make a fortune out of this while your pension funds plummets. It\'s like a sick joke, but it\'s true.
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Originally posted by Avelorn
Some people make a fortune out of this while your pension funds plummets. It\'s like a sick joke, but it\'s true.
Stay calm when everybody else panics; panic when everybody is confident they can\'t lose. Following the herd is the surest way to the slaughter house.

Made a bundle off of McDonald\'s stock during their \"beef scare\" a few years back. It was just too easy.
 

pariah72

New member
Originally posted by airhead

\"It\'s not based on any particular data point,\" a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. \"We just wanted to choose a really large number.\"

Does anybody else find this REALLY scary and infuriating? The kind of numbers they throw around nonchalantly is ridiculous.

To put the amount 700 billion into perspective

1,000,000 Seconds = 11.57 days
700,000,000,000 Seconds = 22,182.117 Years
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Originally posted by pariah72
Does anybody else find this REALLY scary and infuriating? The kind of numbers they throw around nonchalantly is ridiculous.

To put the amount 700 billion into perspective
...is $2300 for every man, woman, and child in the US today (legally or illegally). And that\'s the LOW end of what it MIGHT cost.

I think most of the citizenry thinks it is totally ridiculous. Problem is, we won\'t get to vote them out until after the check clears.
 

darklord

New member
how much they spent in iraq and afghanistan?
they way it looks to me in a very simplified manner is \"okay so you wasted your company\'s money chasing bad business but we are going to give you lots more to waste to.you havent learnt your lesson? oh well have it anyway.\" why not give the money direwctly to the people, they can spend it and give the economy a much needed boost. or take it to vegas and hope they get lucky.
now i wonder if i had a business and i screwed it up the goverment would bail me out?
 

pariah72

New member
Originally posted by PegaZus
[...is $2300 for every man, woman, and child in the US today (legally or illegally). And that\'s the LOW end of what it MIGHT cost.

I think most of the citizenry thinks it is totally ridiculous. Problem is, we won\'t get to vote them out until after the check clears.

Keep in mind that would be $2300 ($5072 if you only count the taxpaying population) that would only apply to this \"Bailout\"... I mean \"Rescue Plan\". Time to pony up America.
 

ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Well I\'m trying not to panic. Living in Canada I knew it was going to affect us, but tried to remain optimistic. Today I find out our rescource industry here just tick a grade-A shit-kickin\' so I\'ve lost a pile.

I\'m still shootin\' for 50-55 to be able to retire, or at the worst semi-retire. I\'m just trying to tell myself it will all even out in the end, and I am still contributing heavily into retirement savings even in these times. Hopefully the low cost I am paying for my investments now means I will make up the losses sooner rather than later.

As for fixing the economy with a lump sum, I don\'t know the wisdom or even the feasibility of that plan but I think in a situation like this the US government is damned if they do/don\'t. Can they really just sit back and watch without any kind of plan? Maybe this is an imperfect solution but doesn\'t something have to be done? I\'m a little ignorant (I\'m trying not to watch the headlines to closely lest I see some names of companies I have invested in) but is their a \"Plan B\" on the table?

I suggest they steal the money from Oprah.
 

uberdark

New member
3 home owned used car dealerships went out of business today in my town. they cant get any credit and they wont be able to open again for at least a month if the tax plan passes.

everybody is tightening their asses up real tight here. heck i didnt even buy that warbike set from forgeworld i wanted....i had to settle for GW\'s warbikes instead. lollollollol
 
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