How on earth does the MAGIC WASH work???

usurpator

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I\'m at a loss: I know a bit about surface tension, but I cannot understand how the magic-wash works: some say it distributes the particles of paint evenly on the surface of the mini, some say it\'s great to get paint only and only in the cranies (correct word?)
I can\'t see how the two are possible with the same product, and the thing is.... :twisted: :twisted: I want to understand how it works so that I can use different percentage of futur versus water etc.
Any scientist around? :rolleyes:
thanks a bunch
U.
 

vincenti

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I am deffinately not a scientist but if you add a dash of washing up liquid to your wash it makes the water wetter !

I realise this sounds like a wind-up but its true:cool:

GOD bless .............VINCENTI
 

emopainterguy

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My understanding as to what dish soap does to water to break surface tension is to distribute molecules between the water to disrupt the hydrogen bonds between the water molecules.
I personally wouldnt bother trying to figure out ratios via math, but rather play around with it till you find the ratio that works best for you.
 

usurpator

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I get that.... but does it

A/make the paint better distribute on the whole surface

ORRRRR:

B/makes it easier go into the hooks and crannies (spelling?) and NOT on the edges one might accidentally touch?

I hear people tell about both being easy with futur but I find the two things quite contradictory....
argggh me stupid! Please explain!
:beer:
 

emopainterguy

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Think of it this way. When you put watered down paint on your pallet it \'bubbles\' up right? With the additives the surface tension dissapates and then the paint lays flat. This is why its easier to distribute paint evenly over the entire surface (no \'bubbling\' of the paint). Now also realise that when you paint near a crevace or (nook/cranny/etc) without surface tension the paint will stay where you place it and not be drawn to other things due to surface tension.
I hope that makes some sense, I\'m not huge on physics so I\'m not sure thats the exact reasoning.
 

GreenOne

I paint my thumb.
I think both...
If you apply a glaze with thin paint and \'magic wash\' it will keep a layer of paint on the whole surface which will not slide to the bottom when drying.. an not make tide lines.
OR\\AND
If you go thinner and aim to wash\\flood the figure, the paint will travel to the bottom without staining the edges.
It would give you more control over the process by preventing the paint from moving around or staining where you don\'t want it.
That\'s my interpretation of it, I haven\'t actually tried the stuff, but it seems logical to me.

Edit: All that with a bit of what emopainter just said.
 

AsgardUK

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Hi Usurpator, i understand what your asking and here is a quick description of how i do it

Glaze: if i want to glaze the entire surface with a colour to create a richer colour or to tie in my highlights with the base colour heres what i do

1: I get my ink or my paint and thin it down with water, the amount i thin it is purly based on how strong i want the over all colour to be in the end.
2: I then dip an old brush into a pot of washing up liquid, i get just the same amount of washing up liquid on my brush as if it were paint, so you dont need tons, and i then mix this into my watered down paint or ink.
3: Finally (you can miss out this step if you like) i add a drop of Vallejo Matte medium, just to take away any shine that may result from the ink as it dries.
4: i paint the entire area with this mix and the result is as if i had used a very thin trasparent paint over my model

Wash: Ok so if i want to use ink to get into the recesses of the model, say for example i want to define the lines of a face heres what i do

1: get my ink and water it down to the consistancy i want
2: add a small dab of PVA glue ( i read somewhere that it pulls the ink into the crevices if you do this)
3: a small drop of Matte medium (to take away the shine)
4: I Flood the area im working on and allow the ink to run into the recesses of the model, then wait for it to dry
5: i would then use my base coat paint (so for a face a flesh colour) and tidy up all of the high points leaving deep shading in the recesss of the model

One Warning, using PVA Glue in your paint will mess up the brush your using over time so use an old or a cheap brush to apply the paint, also PVA will dry shiny, so you need to take that into consideration before you use it, and make sure you dull coat once the model is dry.

Hope you find this useful:beer:
 

usurpator

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Thanks Asgard - quite useful!
How would you fit magic wash (with futur or klear) with those technics?
Cheers
U.
 

AsgardUK

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Your welcome U,

im afraid i havent used futur floor wash before, my friend did go buy some and we were going to experiment but never got round to it,

as for your magic wash, just treat it as normal ink and i dont think you will go far wrong.

good luck :)
 

BaT

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Not to totally hijack this post, but would adding a bit of future to my washes prevent those lovely halos I get sometimes. Those are a killjoy. Could I use my regular dish soap watered down?

@ AsgardUK: What exactly do you mean by \"washing up liquid\"?
 

lahatiel

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I think the Brits call \"washing up liquid\" what we in the States call \"dish soap.\" And yes, either small touch of either Future or dish soap should help prevent the halo effect.
 

AsgardUK

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Hi BaT,

as lahatiel said, its Dish soap, and including some in your wash\'s or glazes pretty much totally avoids the \"halo effect\"

just mix the colour you want with water untill its thinned how you like it, then add a drop of dish soap and mix it in, simple as that, as i said in my last post i havent used future, but i do know that it dries very shiny, using dish soap dosent ( although if your using inks you will get a bit of shine from them, dish soap or not)

hope that helps you out a bit :)
 

Rastl

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I use glaze medium in my magic wash. It is designed to be used with acrylic paints, unlike floor polish.

When you brush this stuff on it will immediately sink into the nooks and crannies of your figure and stay there, giving you both shading and darklining in one process.

Hit the highlights with you base color again and you can generally call it done.

The ratio I use is three parts glaze medium, three parts water, and one part liner/paint. Paint will make it a little darker so test it out.

A lot of the newer paints don\'t play well with floor wax like the older stuff did.
 

BaT

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I\'m running out of places to hide the bodies...I mean, places to put my paint...

I\'m going to give the dish soap a shot. I\'ll probably pick up some glaze medium the next time I pick up some minis.

Thanks for the help!
 
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