How to paint Space Marines. Please tell me no one will actually buy this...

[marineboy]

shadzar, you got that right...

alot of the painting stuff in the codexes ARE missing steps... people following these instruction willl end up saying, \"jeez, i did everything they said, why do my figs look so crappy compared to the ones in the book?\"...

i\'ll have to look at this book critically before buying...

fact is the book\'ll end up selling heaps more due to the fact that it\'s about space marines than that it contains alotta painting technique...GW knows this and is banking on it

who knows, maybe they\'ll suprise us....:]

 

[Infidel Castro]

Originally posted by Modderrhu

The Space Marines have just had a huge makeover, with a corresponding renewed interest. Insignia have been changed, the chapters have developed more fluff, etc. etc. Frankly, GW needed to add some easily referenced material, and how to use it, to their new babies. More than that, I can say nothing except what Avicenna said with perfect clarity.

I won\'t be buying it however, mainly because I cannot stand space marines. If I went back to 40K, I\'d be a \'nid kinda guy/

Makeover? Sounds suspiciously like Richard & Judy. Daytime television/WH40k crossover. Imagine...

RICHARD: So, what\'s your job then?

BOB VICIOUS: Well Richard, I\'m a blood-thirsty, barbarous Space Marine of the Crimson Fists chapter...*ahem*

RICHARD: Are you really? How interesting! And how can our resident stylist Susie Slapper help you today?

BOB: I was hoping for a smart-casual makeover as I am hoping to start dating women after a lengthy lay-off.

RICHARD: So why do you find yourself having difficulty?

BOB: Well Richard, during my initiation into the chapter I underwent horrific genetic re-engineering that left me standing at over 2.5m in height. I also frown a lot and people look at my bionic eye which makes me feel self-conscious. And I live with 999 other single men.

RICHARD: Well, Susie can wash away your fears with a professional makeover...

BOB: Can she put some paisley on my Power Armour?

RICHARD: That\'s really for her to decide Bob.

BOB: Shit, I can feel the bloodlust coming on...

 

[marineboy]

\"BOB VICIOUS: Well Richard, I\'m a blood-thirsty, barbarous Space Marine of the Crimson Fists chapter...*ahem*

..i think i saw this interview...the really scary part was when the Crimson Fist, the Space Wolf and the Dark Angel dudes played Dating Game for an evening with some SOB chick....

 

[Lurch]

Actually, I think there are some people who could benefit by a book on painting space marines. Not to point anyone out specifically, but.......

http://www.coolminiornot.com/71740

http://www.coolminiornot.com/53677

http://www.coolminiornot.com/20964

 

[Modderrhu]

Originally posted by reverend
BOB: Can she put some paisley on my Power Armour?

Exactly the point! Thing is, 40K Space Marine junkies can be so heavily influenced by the fluff that they\'ll even write a book about the Imperial Navy, with highly detailed specifications on armament and tactical operations - all on stuff that doesn\'t exist. Now, these sorts of guys need to know exactly where and how the paisley is placed on an Imperial codpiece, and the exact colours to use for the Hardnob Hoinkers chapter. Otherwise it just ain\'t authentic, ya knows? After all, how many kiddies are out there that want to be a Space Marine when they grow up? Hopefully less than I think...

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by Lurch
Actually, I think there are some people who could benefit by a book on painting space marines. Not to point anyone out specifically, but.......

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http://www.coolminiornot.com/20964

i frankly dont give two shits what GW thinks they should be painted or how. i paint MY minis in the colors and style I want them.

also all my previous mini like that techmarine were painted under pressure cause player complaining i was playing with unpainted minis. (we all started the same time, but they just slap paint on to say it is painted. whereas i enjoy painting in and of itself.)

like i am going to turn a hobby i enjoy into some kind of stressful work.

you paint your minis how you want and I will paint mine how i want.

and this techmarine:

is just how I want it for playing purposes. metal figs take the worse beating and punishment on paintjobs, so a simple scheme is easiest to repair chips and broken limbs.

 

[Lurch]

Originally posted by Shadzar
i frankly dont give two shits what GW thinks they should be painted or how. i paint MY minis in the colors and style I want them.

also all my previous mini like that techmarine were painted under pressure cause player complaining i was playing with unpainted minis. (we all started the same time, but they just slap paint on to say it is painted. whereas i enjoy painting in and of itself.)

like i am going to turn a hobby i enjoy into some kind of stressful work.

you paint your minis how you want and I will paint mine how i want.

and this techmarine:
is just how I want it for playing purposes. metal figs take the worse beating and punishment on paintjobs, so a simple scheme is easiest to repair chips and broken limbs.

Shadzar, I apologize that you took offense to my pointing out this particular mini of yours. As I said, it was not my intention to \"name names\". In fact my point, which now looks like it was missed, was that a book on painting ANY sort of mini can come in handy.
As far as your work is concerned, however, I must say that you have done MUCH better than this one. Your tech marine looks, like you said; rushed.
Compaired to your Logan Grimgar or your dreadnaught, this mini is not even in the same league.
And your Tau \"Chia\" suit? Priceless and original. lol
In fact, compare this mini to your Dark angels Standard Bearer and you can see that this mini does not even come close to showing your true potential or talent.

Saying this, however, would you not agree that a book that would give you pointers and tips on the exact models you like to paint would be a plus in your eyes, even if you do not paint them like \"GW\" wants you to?

 

[Shadzar]

no i do NOT think charging for a book would be helpful. as it only helps those that dont have a GW store handy to go get advice from. so you are being impeded on both fronts....lack of store to buy things from, and costing for something that may be full of missing steps as shown in most GW painting articles thus far.

i just dont think it should cost for them to go back thru and clean up their act and show things the right way since people been buying codi and WD all along, they should give the painting guide free, since they REQUIRE painted minis for tournaments. GW seems to lack the concept of giving someone away to encourage sales of other things.

and your previous post does make it sound as thought the 3 mentioned weren\'t painted right cause they were not painted the GW way sicne this topic is discussing the new painting \"guide\"

also my tech marine like the WHOLE command squad including the std bearer was painted over the same week. and sadly i painted logan in 2 hours while listening to \"2 guys named chris\" on rock 92 one morning. so he was rushed even more than those 2 were.

but i do agree that as a concept it is a good idea IF GW finally implements something correctly.

(as a side note i see nothing wrong with the khorne mini you mentioned...but the striped marine could use a bit of cleaning up or color theory.)

my Chia-suit was a pain and i wish i had something like CMoN BEFORE i tried that primer on GW plastics. but my \"dodge viper pace-car\" crisis suit is much different.

seems i need to take pics of that one and my commander form the command squad as they are no longer in my account.

not that your opinon isnt a valid one, just that considering the massive vaults on knowledge and info that can be obtained freely by going online (at a local library for those without internet in their hoomes) aand searching for the material for FREE. i do not think this book a neccesity or even as being marketable UNLESS! it is going to give complete step by step for EVERY army and EVERY marine models type. including shoulder pads chapter and unit insignia, paint mixing charts, AND ALL marine sprues to know and tell what each part of the sprue is. (like the tyranids codex broke down what each bio-weapon is for the gaunts)

for both new and older marine minis.

 

[Lurch]

Originally posted by Shadzar
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and your previous post does make it sound as thought the 3 mentioned weren\'t painted right cause they were not painted the GW way sicne this topic is discussing the new painting \"guide\"

Ohhh LORDY no!!!
My intent was on technique, not if you had the right color choices or painted a particular squad in the \"GW\' way.
Hell, I dont play GW games and could care LESS if they are painted as grey knights, Ultra Marines, or whatever. (I only know Ultra marines are blue and grey knights are... well... grey (?)
Massive apologies if you thought THAT was my point.
As far as technique is concerned (how do I...) I like to have multiple ideas and have them on multiple media types.
I would at least thumb through this book to see if there were a technique I did not already know or if there were something I could incorporate into my own work.
Although I do see you point on GW \"cleaning up their act\" I still think a seperate book for a particular genre is a good idea.
To each his own I guess.

 

[Shadzar]

yeah would be a great idea IF GW didnt do it half-assed like everything else that involves words that they do. ie rulebooks. \'nuf said.

 

[vincegamer]

just nosing in where I have no business

Does this mean that GW has completely abandoned, nay outlawed, the old practice they used to encourage of \"make up your own insignia system?\"

For my Mushnik space marines, rank and position is dictated by the number of blue points on the helmet!
I mean, who wants some Tau to recognize your command structure at a glance?

 

[Trevor]

No, they still encourage you to make stuff up.

 

[marineboy]

.. after thinking about it, i\'m looking forward to buying this book...

...i\'m also looking forward to further paint guides in this series:

\"Painting Ultramarine Space Marine Successor Chapter Land Raider Crusader Heavy Bolter Sponson Mounts\"

\"Painting The Space Marine Cursed 23. Founding Mk. 6, Mk. 7 and Mk. 7a Power Armor Reactive Shoulder Pad Edge Reinforcement Banding\"

and, even though it\'s a little out of my sphere of interest..

\"Painting Chaos Space Marine Ponytails\"

gonna hafta refinance my apartment to buy them, though....

 

[Infidel Castro]

Well, GW are nothing if not thorough lol.

I wonder how that makeover is coming on..?


RICHARD: Wow! What a transformation Bob.

BOB: Erm, thanks Richard.

RICHARD: What do you think Judy?

JUDY (enter stage left): Incredible! That Power Armour, whilst there, is so anonymous with the paisley pattern. And that hair! It covers up all the tubes that go into his face...

RICHARD: So Bob, how do you feel?

BOB: Confused.

RICHARD: Thank you Bob, and thanks again to Susie Slapper the make-up artist for making this possible.

BOB: Where\'s my bolter?

JUDY (exits and returns with Bolter): Here Bob, we\'ve covered it in denim so that you can accessorise when you go out socialising with ladies.

BOB: That is an ancient weapon the like of which we have lost the technology to produce, and you\'re telling me you\'ve plastered denim all over it? Oh shit, the bloodlust again....

Cue violent aggression and the sad demise of Richard & Judy, much-loved daytime TV presenters. The studio is destroyed in a hail of deadly bolter shells and Bob is seen making his way out and into the city where, later, he is reported to be dancing in a gay club.

 

[Klute]

Oh the tears of laughter,thank you Reverend.

I think Bob Vicious is on Trisha today though,looking for his long lost lesbian father.

 

[praetorian0_1]

I sooo hear you Brian!
Here is a related trivia question: not counting white dwarf, how many books are there for 40k and WFB--counting all codex books and editions??????
There must be at least 20 books per edition, at least. So the math on that is roughly 200, and most of those are rendered useless/redundant after a few yearslol
Crazzzzzzzzzy!
Now how many books are there for Warmachine- it only takes one to play it, not even really if you use thier free online rules. Then about 3 suppliments...

 

[benjers2]

You must remember the service that Games Workshop provides for Mums and Kids. Sure a lot of their bread and butter is sustaining the hobby, but you know how elitist those painting articles are - even the \'eavy metal showcases, whilst missing a load of steps, the average (please note that word meaning the middle talented) painter could really caare less about the third yellow ink glaze over the bionic eye lens just before the white dot to show the reflection point, followed by a red wash.
Now think of the mother of that 11 year old kid... it\'s his birthday soon, she knows he has some little men with big shoulderpads on round bases... yes like those ..... ah space marines, that sounds familiar.... how to paint space marines, yes he has some paints, yes that\'s a good present to go with the box of men that granny\'s money will buy him, and i\'d like him to read a little more.

SURELY anything that encourages reading, and reading about painting any kind of miniature, is a good thing. The kid can decide himself if it\'s in depth enough or not, or I, as a 29 year old (today - Happy birthday me!) might quite like it too, to flick through whilst on the loo, to glance at in bed before sleeping, looking for a glimmer of inspiration, looking for a shard of knowledge I\'ve not glanced before, or perhaps I might use it to paint with a young relative. As a teaching aid to help someone else, someone new to the hobby.

Don\'t forget not everyone likes to paint, knows how to paint, wants to paint etc maybe this book will convert a small handful of people into miniature painters, maybe someday soon they will be on here showcasing their stuff with the rest of us?

Games Workshop offers an easy and accesible way in to the world of miniatures, whether it\'s playing, painting, converting what have you. I think for many people it\'s the Early Learning Centre of miniatures.

I think we need this book to succeed. We need more folks coming into this cosy cliquey world of ours and shaking us up and showing us something new, challenging us, driving change. And I think (and sorry to be deliberatly antagonistic on this - I\'m not trying to Troll for nasty responses, just getting passionate) that anyone who wants to stop an attempt at making painting more accessible should not be here.

Painting is for everyone; not just for us.

 

[praetorian0_1]

painting is for all of us...

That is where you are wrong young man- its mine all mine, isn\'t it prescioousss. Yes my presssciousss- painting belongs to - usgolum, golum!

Hey, you, quit being such a nice guy. Even logical- and on your birthday of all days. For shame- you should be feeling the greed baby- demand prezzies, be abnoxious like moi.

ok when you are right you are right.
I just mean that there are a lot of books, that is all I\'m sayin\'(per micro Elvis)lol

Have a great birthday!!!!! Enjoy that last year of hair and wrinkle free zones, alcohol tolerance, lack of sleep tolerance and a boosted metabolism.(sings- \"It was a very good year, a very good year..) All the best Ben
Herve

 

[benjers2]

losing my hair....

thanks Herve.

There ARE too many books, the ones that need to fail are the silly stories - the ones that basically seem to rip off norse legends or the Sharpe books or what have you. If they produced 1 third the amount of books and made them only about painting miniatures or playing the games that would be much better.


where has that inch of hair gone? it was here last year?

my apologies for being nice and reasonable - it won\'t happen again

 

[Micha]

To be honest, i don´t see a single reason for wanting a book to fail; i mean, if you think you don´t need it, then don´t buy it. And by the way, this is a hobby, so it´s about bying things that you want and not those that you need - I´ve got heaps of minis to paint, and I still buy more (when I have money). For my part, I´m glad they made this book, yes, it is about Space Marines only, but don´t forget that they are the single most successful product GW makes. Plus, for me it is a pleasure to see painting guides on Space Marines and painted spacemarines are also nice to look at.
Simply speaking: before saying weather this book is useless or not, we should wait for its appearence at the shops and simply have a look inside and judge for ourselves. Somuch from me.