I can\'t, not even for fun...

[Einion]

Originally posted by demonherald

Originally posted by alextheartist
Tbh you cant beat halfords grey primer...

Ya can with Hycote........:beer:

Agreed, sort of

Hycote are supposed to make Halford\'s primer, so they should be the same thing or very similar.

Originally posted by freakinacage
never heard of it. where do you get it from?

Not in Halford\'s obviously

Independent car-care places which stock paint & primer will often have Hycote.

Einion

 

[Khorga]

when i started the tabletop hobby about a year ago, i dipped my models in the soft tone quick shade, and this brings up an army in a reasonable amount of time (2 weekend sessions for 33 models)

I did this until i had a playable army, played a couple games and found out that i really enjoy the game. I thought that it would not make much sense to put time and effort into an army and then ditch it because i don\'t like playing.

And the dip does create relatively acceptable results in my eyes. Of course, they\'re no awesome painted minis, but at the place i game, people call them selves Pro painters, and their models look like bollocks, compared to my dipped minis.

Now that i found out i like playing the game i\'m also investing more time in painting, learning how to paint and model things.

But still i admit, for the Skull laden bases i put my models on, i developed a simple method with the dip, and i find it looks really good (best thing i manage to turn out sofar). Took me about an hour and a half to finish 120 bases. from priming to dullcoating. (actual working time, drying time not included)

And i had the same problem with their sprays too, the coating was crappy. but then i really gave it a good shake before i sprayed, and it works fine. i use their black, white primer and the dullcoat.

 

[JojoTheFlamingMonkey]

If I gamed I would definitely consider using it, or at least a series of washes over a basecoat. I think it looks pretty good for what it is and in most cases looks unarguably better than *just* a basecoat. As was mentioned previously, I think this is primarily aimed at the historical market where I see way too many figures painted with shiny shiny enamels.

Personally, I don\'t see much sense in spending god awfully huge amounts of time painting something that\'s going to see use on the table. In all likelihood anything used for gaming is going to end damaged at some point, or at the very least with pizza grease smeared all over it from some silly twit. Ultimately, a poorly painted army is just as capable of kicking bottom as a well painted one.

Since I only paint for display, take all of this with a grain of salt.

 

[Godlikebuthumble]

Well, I\'m in the process of painting up a ~7000 pts Vampire Counts army. And while I do the Elite choices \"by hand\" and actually enjoy going to town on characters, I really cannot be arsed to manually highlight and shade 100 Zombies and 80+ Skeletons. Seriously, zombies are 4pts a model, and come in blocks of 20+. Plus, they\'re supposed to look shabby. I frankly cannot justify painstakingly painting every single one, especially for a pure gaming army. Couple of solid basecoats, then brush-on the dip. Solid enough for those guys.

And I recently ordered some Dark Green AP spray at my LGS. I have some 7-9 Space Marine Tanks to do, and if the stuff works half decently, might save me some time applying several thin coats of Dark Angels Green on large surfaces. Hate doing that.

 

[Brother Captain]

I\'ve used the dip and recently bought the black primer which I have not used yet.

Dipping is good for massive armies and looks especially nice in \"organic\" minis like Tyranids, Kroot etc.

However in my oppinion GW\'s new Washes have made dipping obsolete. You can have the same or better result with a mix of Devlan Mud and Badab Black. Plus they\'re non toxic, can be used indoors and they don\'t create a mess.

If you\'re interested I can find some links to minis I\'ve painted with each of these techniques so you can make a comparison.

Cheers.

 

[JesterzUSMC]

Who doesn\'t like pics...put \'em up!

 

[Brother Captain]

Pics incoming!

GW Washes:

Army Painter Dip:

 

[Jarrett]

All those tyranids look nice to me for army use!

 

[Olaf the Stout]

I don\'t think I would ever use the dip but I would give the coloured primers a go. I\'m in Australia though so it\'s a bit of a moot point really. I can\'t order them from overseas online (due to them being a spray, and therefore banned from being posted via airmail) and I don\'t know anywhere here that sells them.

Overall I think the dip give an ok result for the time you spend painting. Personally I would aim for a higher standard than dipped though, even on rank and file minis. I\'d be more than happy to use the GW washes, but not a dip.

Olaf the Stout

 

[Kester]

Each to there own. If you try it and like the results, that is fine.

 

[kxtrey]

doh!

when I first got into the miniature painting hobby in the early 90\'s, I had nothing to go by but catalogs and pics on the boxes of miniature sets I bought. We literally had access to 100 Ral Partha figs and paints and that was it.

GW was non-existent in our area. We had no idea about inks or washes thinning paints down or anything like that.

In fact we made up our own games for the miniatures cause we had no idea there was pre-made games out there.

The problem was the model pics we saw were shaded so perfectly and we could see no way of doing this.. it was beyond our 11 & 12 year old minds to spend that much time on a single fig. SO, we devised a system of mixing a gloss varnish with our matt acrylic paints. It mixed badly to say the least but the inherent properties caused a dip like product. The acrylic pigments were heavier than the varnish so they flowed into the recesses (effectively shading the model). We brushed it on for control purposes but it could have been a dip. My point being this is something I figured out when I was 12ish.. I got out of gaming and painting a few years later, and have only recently rejoined the ranks. If I knew then what i know now, this could have been my product. doh!

knowing what i know now though I wouldn\'t touch the stuff, I love layering/ shading/juicing/washing... that is the fun part to me now.

But for the young and people who just want to play.. why not? It\'s far better looking than a simple base-coated model.

Again though... DOH! ha ha ha..

 

[Aliengod3]

This may have been said already but the shading product is similar to GW washes. It seems useful if you have a large amount of mini to paint and really do not want to spend alot of time painting.

It also seems like a good idea for people who just like to play the games but hate painting. Personally I would rather paint my armies properly.