Is it just me...
- Thread starter DarkWind
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Normally in the forums most people are polite when looking for advice.
However there have been a couple of Gallery postings looking for advice, which were...Uhmm how shall I put it......Less than tactful.
Thankfully they were in the minority and didn\'t hang around.
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Shadzar
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Kinda what I meant to. Ritual is a font of good advice, and since he gives it anyway, I can\'t understand what difference it makes if someone thinks it is owed to them or not. The good painters that contribute are going to contribute anyway. Our hobby isn\'t growing exponentially so new blood into it could always be helped (and he does).
Just ignore the aspect that someone feels they are owed anything and just be you and give advice as you (anyone that is) would. Leave their attitude out of your advice, as well any stirred within you and just give clear advice if you feel you have something to give, and the rest will work itself out.
If I am going to give advice on something, then I will give it. I haven\'t seen any sort of thread saying \"you people owe me\", just people wanting to contribute, but I don\'t read every thread here. IRL that stuff gets annoying, when people think you owe them something for being around you. But on forums, you can just turn that off, and those people will either learn or move on.
I am more interested in minis than the politics junk anyway though.
Just ignore the aspect that someone feels they are owed anything and just be you and give advice as you (anyone that is) would. Leave their attitude out of your advice, as well any stirred within you and just give clear advice if you feel you have something to give, and the rest will work itself out.
If I am going to give advice on something, then I will give it. I haven\'t seen any sort of thread saying \"you people owe me\", just people wanting to contribute, but I don\'t read every thread here. IRL that stuff gets annoying, when people think you owe them something for being around you. But on forums, you can just turn that off, and those people will either learn or move on.
I am more interested in minis than the politics junk anyway though.
@Shadzar
It\'s simply a matter of respect and common courtesy. If someone asks politely, I will never know their feelings in the matter, and, as you say, it doesn\'t matter. But if someone can\'t ask politely, or start acting snotty if they\'re not satisfied with the answers they get, then I\'ll no longer feel as inclined to help.
It\'s simply a matter of respect and common courtesy. If someone asks politely, I will never know their feelings in the matter, and, as you say, it doesn\'t matter. But if someone can\'t ask politely, or start acting snotty if they\'re not satisfied with the answers they get, then I\'ll no longer feel as inclined to help.
kathrynloch
New member
Well, the short time I\'ve been active on the forums, I\'ve received excellent advice on my WIP posts. Granted, I didn\'t have a HUGE response - it was only one or two posts.
On the other hand, how many different ways can you say thin your paint and get rid of your mold lines! :duh: Seriously, it\'s not the quantity but the quality of the posts. (And I\'m working on it - I promise! Just not ready to post pics yet.)
I\'m very grateful to the help and the encouragement I have received here. Folks are busy - hopefully painting - so I appreciate the time they take out of their day to offer a suggestion.
I know I don\'t offer a lot simply because my painting NOW is not where it once WAS. Until I get it back where it should be, I really don\'t feel I\'m in the position to offer much advice.
One thing on the other side though, I hope folks remember that English is not a first language for many folks here. Also, there are some are obviously quite young and may not have the best grasp of the written word. On any forum, but especially one that throws such a wide net across nations, there is bound to be misunderstanding.
Cheers,
Kat
PS - does any one know why I suddenly have the ability to edit every single post on this board if I wanted to???? :redface:
On the other hand, how many different ways can you say thin your paint and get rid of your mold lines! :duh: Seriously, it\'s not the quantity but the quality of the posts. (And I\'m working on it - I promise! Just not ready to post pics yet.)
I\'m very grateful to the help and the encouragement I have received here. Folks are busy - hopefully painting - so I appreciate the time they take out of their day to offer a suggestion.
I know I don\'t offer a lot simply because my painting NOW is not where it once WAS. Until I get it back where it should be, I really don\'t feel I\'m in the position to offer much advice.
One thing on the other side though, I hope folks remember that English is not a first language for many folks here. Also, there are some are obviously quite young and may not have the best grasp of the written word. On any forum, but especially one that throws such a wide net across nations, there is bound to be misunderstanding.
Cheers,
Kat
PS - does any one know why I suddenly have the ability to edit every single post on this board if I wanted to???? :redface:
cleen X
New member
Most of the regulars around here are very polite, at least in my experience. But I guess if you\'ve been here for a long time you will probably have come across some rude posts as well.
I have to agree with Ritual that the better painters on this forum do not have to give advice, but if it\'s a thread that interest you and you got the time I don\'t see a problem giving someone some kind advice. Most people on this forum must agree with me on this because most of the people here give honest advice.
I have to agree with Ritual that the better painters on this forum do not have to give advice, but if it\'s a thread that interest you and you got the time I don\'t see a problem giving someone some kind advice. Most people on this forum must agree with me on this because most of the people here give honest advice.
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Shadzar
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\"Sorry, you are not allowed to edit or delete this post.\"
The button exists by mistake, you cannot actually edit the post, but it does get confusing at times to which button you are trying to click when you are in a hurry. I often have to rewrite a reply when quoting someone because I hit the edit button.
I think removing the mold lines is an obvious thing that you can see, but many times \"thin your paint\" can be said in the wrong places. I got advice like that on a few things I have removed from my gallery, but the paint could get no thinner, it was the chalky look I was wanting, or the primer undercoat was thicker than wanted, and being a tabletop mini no need for $1000 quality on a mini that will get handled very often.
Some people may just not care about the mold lines.
So some advice, even though very helpful to make high quality paint jobs, doesn\'t help when the advice is given on something you just don\'t know what you are giving it on.
If it looks like thick paint, you shouldn\'t always assume the person didn\'t thin the paint, or they were using thick paint, there could be many other reasons for the same effect.
Not saying many times paint could be thinned for much better results, just there are times that line doesn\'t seem very helpful, no mater who is giving it. That goes for everywhere mini painter meet, online and off.
Someone new might not know they could get the paint too thin and break it down as well, so even when the right advice to give, \"thin your paint\" may not help the person new to painting.
But yes, very much so the quality of the advice is more important than a lot of it. One good piece of advice is better than 100 bad pieces or incomplete pieces of advice.
But that goes without saying, as is one of the reasons I prefer CMoN to other mini forums, because even the little advice given sometimes is better than the multitude of advice given other places. :drunk:
kathrynloch
New member
Ok - I was flipping tabs between this forum and my model horse one and was getting flopped between the edit and quotes buttons between the two. :drunk:
Legacy Account
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There are a few points I\'d like to make about this.
This was (and continues to be) one of the best places on the internet to get information about miniature painting. It\'s a pretty exhaustive tome on the subject IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SEARCH THE FORUMS AND TUTORIALS! There really is a limit to how many times you can answer exactly the same questions and it seems that some people are absolutely incapable of using something like Google to find more obscure info - that\'s not aimed at the OP btw.
As for WIP threads, well I guess you need to be specific about exactly what feedback you\'d like. If you REALLY want honest feedback, then say so in a \'rip it to bits\' stylee. I also think there\'s an onus on people to identify their own weaknesses. How difficult is it to put a couple of photos next to each other and play spot the difference? There really is no silver bullet to improving. It\'s up to the individual to practise. Advice helps, but it aint gonna win you any Demons is it?
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This was (and continues to be) one of the best places on the internet to get information about miniature painting. It\'s a pretty exhaustive tome on the subject IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SEARCH THE FORUMS AND TUTORIALS! There really is a limit to how many times you can answer exactly the same questions and it seems that some people are absolutely incapable of using something like Google to find more obscure info - that\'s not aimed at the OP btw.
As for WIP threads, well I guess you need to be specific about exactly what feedback you\'d like. If you REALLY want honest feedback, then say so in a \'rip it to bits\' stylee. I also think there\'s an onus on people to identify their own weaknesses. How difficult is it to put a couple of photos next to each other and play spot the difference? There really is no silver bullet to improving. It\'s up to the individual to practise. Advice helps, but it aint gonna win you any Demons is it?
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Infidel Castro
New member
Without flogging a dead horse (okay, maybe flogging a dead horse after all ) a forum is community. As the Radom feller pointd out near the top/middle of the thread, these forums see only a small percentage of site-users pass through, with less again stopping and becoming part of this particular community-within-a-community. If you want to build up the comments on your WIPs, try sticking around and building a rapport. To be fair, settling into a forum is pretty difficult as it takes time. However, if the hobby interests you and you want to speak to like-minded peope, you\'ll settle in pretty quickly and people will pay more attention to what you\'re doing. Forums, at best, are full of internet acquaintances and buddies. Believe me, a lot of people on this site have met each other (I\'m lagging on that element, but I aim to change that). This forum is a really good one, and the friendships you see are genuine. Get stuck in!
) a forum is community. As the Radom feller pointd out near the top/middle of the thread, these forums see only a small percentage of site-users pass through, with less again stopping and becoming part of this particular community-within-a-community. If you want to build up the comments on your WIPs, try sticking around and building a rapport. To be fair, settling into a forum is pretty difficult as it takes time. However, if the hobby interests you and you want to speak to like-minded peope, you\'ll settle in pretty quickly and people will pay more attention to what you\'re doing. Forums, at best, are full of internet acquaintances and buddies. Believe me, a lot of people on this site have met each other (I\'m lagging on that element, but I aim to change that). This forum is a really good one, and the friendships you see are genuine. Get stuck in!cyberakuma
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Originally posted by reverend
Without flogging a dead horse (okay, maybe flogging a dead horse after all
got to agree with this one i\'ve not been using the forums here that long but i\'ve spoken to a few people and had some excellent advice in the modelling and conversions section i\'ve not posted any wip stuff yet though as my camera sucks and what i\'m working on is more a conversion than paint job at the moment and i already got the advice i needed to carry it on
but i will say one thing and it\'s just a theory but a lot of the top artists on this site show their work here for advertising basically and their work is going to get the attention quickly and more easily if they are the higher rated pieces (obviously) and well if that was me and i really wanted a paying job and knew my rivals did too i\'d be working on getting the higher ratings and i\'d say there are three ways to go about that
1 ) become a part of the community and help others out as well noone said votes were unbiased a lot of people will favour certain artists not just because they like their work but also because they\'ve spent some time talking to them like a normal human being and helping them a little
2) improving their skills sounds nuts as a lot of these guys are the top of their game but i bet even they\'ll say they have room for improvement on many things
3) lastly cheat like a ۞۞۞۞۞۞ what takes less time than improving your skills and talking to others to help their skills in the effort of boosting your entries ratings???
registering several accounts oh yes it defeats any change of getting an honest and introspective score on your work but if you are in the business of painting miniatures and just want to get your work out there so potential employers can see it then this is one way of doing it and i don\'t doubt that a few of them do this (and to some members of the site it\'s probably easy to tell who by lots of votes coming from the same ip address, more users coming to vote when certain people are posting new images compared to the rest of the time etc.)
i\'m not condoning this or accusing anyone of it but i\'d say that it would explain a bit about some figures getting higher ratings than they really deserve
as for people not responding to WIP threads i\'d say it\'s to do with interest and whether you have any input you feel like adding i\'ve looked at a few and i think i\'ve commented on some but only stuff that\'s interested me for the rest i\'ve probably clicked in and clicked out just as quickly its not a critique on anyones work but if it says chaos spawn and i have no interest in the chaos stuff then i\'m probably going to look at it just to see what it is and that\'s it
but that\'s already been said oh and well not everyone is on here daily as they probably spend a lot of time painting their minis so a lot of posts can be buried by other people\'s submissions before a lot of people will even see them
cyberakuma
A couple of points:
1: While this site and the forums are aimed at and in the majority populated by Adults, there are acceptable levels of swearing.
Your comment above, which I have edited out, does not fall in that category.
There were the several complaints to the moderators this morning in regard to it.
2: Your recommendation breaks the Terms and Conditions which you agreed to when joining the site.
Any person identified as following such a recomendation will have such accounts blocked and if neccessary their IP address and account banned.
This action has already been carried out by the moderators earlier this year.
