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Most people use whipped cream or chocolate for those games, but hey, whatever floats the lady\'s boat, right?
Is my tutor a tit?
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You are all misinterpreting me.
I was of course refering to Blue Tits , Coal Tits and any other kind of Avians.
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I was of course refering to Blue Tits , Coal Tits and any other kind of Avians.
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darkartminiatures
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Maybe you should set fire to the coal tit so the blue tit won\'t be....erm blue? 
Okay its a little lame but hey (+1 post)
Okay its a little lame but hey (+1 post) Legacy Account
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Boris Vallejo, Frank Frazetta et al are responsible for giving \'fantasy\' art such a bad reputation. Vallejo is rubbish. He\'s the perfect example of technique NOT being everything in art.
There\'s no comparison between the Tintoretto and the BV pic....
There\'s no comparison between the Tintoretto and the BV pic....
cdukino
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For the record... I never ever did anything even remotely fantasy in my art-classes. Still I got the comment I should stop drawing dragons and fairies for art-projects. I never ever did this, but they knew I like fantasy so apparently they formed an image of what i made in class without knowing. That\'s a prejudice and warped image you just can\'t fight against. And what i found annoying. I don\'t think my art teachers were twats... their taste just didn\'t match mine (I did not judge them due to it but tried to understand the why and enrich my view of art with it, why they didn\'t seem remotely interested in doing that the other way round as well is beyong me. I never asked them to agree... just try to understand and work with it). They seem to be very narrow minded at times, imposing their own vision of what art should be onto others. This is what irked me. I picked out a painting once I really liked in a museum (which was abstract even) and he didn\'t like it, later he picked a statue he was wild about (and resembled his own art a lot I might add, even if he disagreed). I did not like it at all and tried to explain why, not say it sucks and that\'s it. He looked at me like I was nuts and said I had a lot to learn about art if I could not see the differnce between true art and rubbish. :flame: THAT is what irked me. (he hated the classic masters with a passion and thought that that work was inferior and expected me to feel the same as art had advanced since then in his eyes. So painting like the classic masters or in the classic style was a step back... and to be discouraged)
I would have liked a discussion about what makes art art, or why they thought some of the things I liked \"wasn\'t art or inferior\". I was open for their opinions and all kinds of art (still am). I don\'t think just one kind of work is art... it\'s there in different shapes and forms... one not inferior to the other, just different, some needing explination to understand.
You say you havent spent as much time in class as you could have done - how many tutorial session have you missed in your three years? cos if this is your last one its too late for you to be finding out now that you have missed the target!!
As others have said any course of study requires the student to comply with the expected outcomes - if you have had regular meetings with the tutor to discuss your progress you would rightly have cause to complain if he is criticising your output now - if the last time you saw him was when you agreed the original, general guidlines for your project then the onus is really back on you!
Sorry to rain on your parade and I hope you do well !
As others have said any course of study requires the student to comply with the expected outcomes - if you have had regular meetings with the tutor to discuss your progress you would rightly have cause to complain if he is criticising your output now - if the last time you saw him was when you agreed the original, general guidlines for your project then the onus is really back on you!
Sorry to rain on your parade and I hope you do well !
Wren
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It sounds from this as if you have more than one tutor. Is this guy giving you your final grade on this project/your school life, or advising you before you go before an exam board or what? I\'m asking to try to gauge how much his opinion matters. If he\'s just advising you, see if you can get opinions from another tutor or two. If he\'s giving the grade, you need to consider ways to help him see how much effort has gone into your artwork.
Yes and no. The problem that your teacher may be having (aside from having issues with things of small size and possibly compensating for something else of small size ;->) is that you are working at a scale and with a medium completely unfamiliar to him. When he looks at another student\'s oil painting or clay sculpture or whatever, he\'s evaluating how much work went into it based on his own experience doing that kind of art with that kind of medium. He has no experience on which to draw in evaluating yours, and either because he\'s cynical about how much work students do or because he really does think big is better, he\'s assuming you\'ve done the absolute minimum possible.
The title of your project is great, since I\'m sure there is a lot of impact in size reduction, both in terms of how the artist works, and is how the audience perceives the work. It sounds like what you need to do is as much as possible to really demonstrate the challenges of working at that scale and with that medium.
It sounds like you\'ve got another month or so before everything\'s final? If getting a positive opinion from this person is very important, you could try doing one last piece working in the studio where he can see you. And if possible try to have him specifically observe the unique properties of GS, how you have to work in stages and cure it, how hard it is to smooth down, etc. If you can\'t have him observe, maybe it would help to do a final sculpture and keep all the in-progress stages. What I mean is really do like 5 finals, keeping one at the armature stage, one at the \'muscles\' stage and so on, so he can see there\'s some work from point A to point B. Although it really does sound like you\'ve already got a lot of sketches and WIP stuff to support your work, so this might already be covered.
You could look for info on the art minatures painting (I mean as small paintings not as painting of figures) that support your \'impact of reduction\' thesis. You could try talking to other minature artists and see if you can get comments from them you can include in a small essay or something. I don\'t know how easy it is to get a hold of those people. I know Meier does non fantasy stuff, though it\'s typically for gift stores and whatnot, and may not be viewed as art. But since I think he\'s considered the innovator of working in GS and may be more appoachable than some of the \'arty\' miniaturists you mentioned, it might be worth a try. One of Steve Buddle\'s figures is based on a model in a figure drawing class he took, so it might be worth talking to him also? (That particular figure is stylized, but doesn\'t really look fantasy or sci-fi, so shouldn\'t harm your cause on that scale.)
Personally i feel that they look more pleasing if they were left green. I have seen enough white primed minsi to know what they would look like and i feel they would just lose some of the qualities that GS has that I like. Thanks for your input
This one I can kind of see his point. As an \'artist\', he\'s used to considering colour as part of the presentation, and bright green isn\'t a colour he\'d usually consider. I can remember how weird the first green I saw looked to me. And it\'s weird enough if it\'s uniform, if it\'s mixed colours because the artist was doing different mixes for different areas, that looks very patchy. GS also has a distinct shine to it, and as we are always bitching at painters in the gallery, shine makes it hard to see the details. ;-> I dunno if painting it white is a good answer if the whole display area is white, but I would consider the idea of painting them for the display if how the display is perceived is part of the grading process. I think there are strippers that don\'t harm GS, so you can just paint them for the display and them strip them to match your own tastes after?
@Medved: My tutors comments was that he would “like to see 200 of these little things” So theres not much chance of me doing that in a month
Yeah, it sounds like your best hope is trying to open his eyes as to the work involved in what you\'ve done more than trying to add much more, since even if he\'s doubling his figure for exaggeration that\'s the impossible dream.
It sounds as if you\'ve learned a lot at school, even if the people who are teaching you haven\'t, so at least that\'s something. And I for one would love to see pictures of your stuff!
Oh, and I don\'t know if it would help your tutor see the world of the small or just give him unrealistic expectations, but here\'s a very miniature artist.
cdukino
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@Medved: My tutors comments was that he would “like to see 200 of these little things” So theres not much chance of me doing that in a month
Maybe your teacher isn\'t so much intrested in just how many hours it takes (he might even be aware of just how long it takes to make one)... as concerned with the general inpact. My teacher told me when I told him I wanted to assemble something neatly (which was fabric and neat stitching and other connections and time consuming but looking good).. to just glue it together as it wasn\'t the time consuming finetuning he was interested in. It was the impact and the idea. He could get if I was skilled enough to make it 100% well from just a small sample. The general idea and impact he could just as easily get from make shift put together as well. He wanted me to put time in making art and learning there then getting it technically right especially if he knew I could (and you showed in the past greens already) so no use putting 100\'s in hours to show the same skill all over. They wanted me to put that in something else. He believed the technical skill after a small sample already... so that became irrelevant and a waste of time according to him and I should focus on the big picture instead.
Maybe the I want to see 200 of them is not due to him wanting to see 200 different sculpts high quality as individuals (as he can see that in just 1 or 2 as well)... but the impact of 200 together as one art-object/installation.
If I he is after this (which looking at my past experiences is not very unlikely) you may be better off casting the ones you have 50 times each (or atleast the castable ones... and likely the casts don\'t even have to be high quality for this too), prime them (maybe different colours) and make them into one big project together. Maybe convert a few (repositioning arms and such... not tiny detail changes as he probably will look completely over that as well)
I see where Cindy is going with this.
Cast about 50 of them, get a Big Godzilla toy.
and put the godzilla toy in the center of the smaller mini\'s.
Then you can label Godzilla as \"Government\" or some such.
What would be even better...
Paint all the different mini\'s differrent colors, except white.
Paint the Godzilla white and pose him on his tippy toes, as if he\'s trying to sneak away from the minis, or as if he\'s afraid to step on them.
You can call it \"The Tyranny of the Minority\".
Cast about 50 of them, get a Big Godzilla toy.
and put the godzilla toy in the center of the smaller mini\'s.
Then you can label Godzilla as \"Government\" or some such.
What would be even better...
Paint all the different mini\'s differrent colors, except white.
Paint the Godzilla white and pose him on his tippy toes, as if he\'s trying to sneak away from the minis, or as if he\'s afraid to step on them.
You can call it \"The Tyranny of the Minority\".
DrEvilmonki
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Yoe ARE an evil man Davelollol
darkartminiatures
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Thanks folks for all the feedback you have given.
I may of given the wrong impression here. For those of you who dont know me I\'m a 30 year old studying a degree course and I\'m not at school
As a mature art student working for a degree your last year is supposed to allow you more freedom to go about your practice as you will in a professional manner. The reason why i have not attended as much as my previous years is down to the fact that for the first 6 months i cared after my baby son During this time i still managed to get research for my coursework and dissertation and get started on the sculpts. I have seen this particular tutor quite a few times over this year though i totally understand what some people are saying in regards to getting feedback from my tutors but i believe that i have actually recieved enough feedback in this year.
Sorry if i haven\'t addressed all the points (some very valid points) raised by you in this thread but In truth i wasn\'t expecting this much interest of the topic and i was just letting off some steam. I feel this discussion could easily flow into other elements of art and before we know it we would be talking about the creation of the life or something deep like that. This is not my intention though it may well be interesting but i haven\'t got the time to be thinking about such things. Everyone has been helpful in one way or another and for that i have got to say thanks.
Oh one thing spacemunkie
Boris is way cool in my opinion
I may of given the wrong impression here. For those of you who dont know me I\'m a 30 year old studying a degree course and I\'m not at school
As a mature art student working for a degree your last year is supposed to allow you more freedom to go about your practice as you will in a professional manner. The reason why i have not attended as much as my previous years is down to the fact that for the first 6 months i cared after my baby son
During this time i still managed to get research for my coursework and dissertation and get started on the sculpts. I have seen this particular tutor quite a few times over this year though i totally understand what some people are saying in regards to getting feedback from my tutors but i believe that i have actually recieved enough feedback in this year.Sorry if i haven\'t addressed all the points (some very valid points) raised by you in this thread but In truth i wasn\'t expecting this much interest of the topic and i was just letting off some steam. I feel this discussion could easily flow into other elements of art and before we know it we would be talking about the creation of the life or something deep like that. This is not my intention though it may well be interesting but i haven\'t got the time to be thinking about such things
. Everyone has been helpful in one way or another and for that i have got to say thanks.Oh one thing spacemunkie
Boris is way cool in my opinion
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Originally posted by darkartminiatures
Oh one thing spacemunkie
Boris is way cool in my opinion
Yeah, if you like looking at silicon-chested jizzmag ladies!lol
darkartminiatures
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Hehehehe oh dear have i given away too much about myself
freakinacage
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don\'t make it sound as if you don\'t!
i like boris\' style. his paintings are technically very good. it\'s just the composition that usually lets him down.
i prefer adrian smith and brom any day (and john blanche)
