Is there an ornithologist in the house?

Sand Rat

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Or does someone know one? I\'ve observed some behaviors in birds over here that I have not seen in birds back in the States, and wanted to discuss it with someone who has a clue about it.

Before anyone asks if I\'m trained as an observer, yes, I am - I would know where to get the info if the behavior was in primates.
 

Infidel Castro

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Erm, I had a book of British Birds for Christmas and a pair of binoculars...does that count? lol

What we need is a professional...
 

Dragonsreach

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Originally posted by steelcult
I\'ve observed some behaviors in birds over here that I have not seen in birds back in the States, and wanted to discuss it with someone who has a clue about it.
Could it be \"learned\" behavious as opposed to \"ingrained or reflexive\" behaviour.
I remember that several species of birds have demonstrated the capacity to \"adopt\" behaviour from other species, most notably occurring in members of the Corvidae family. (Crows, Rooks Magpies etc..)
 
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sg2009

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Originally posted by reverend
Erm, I had a book of British Birds for Christmas and a pair of binoculars...does that count? lol

What we need is a professional...


would Ms.bill jobling please come to the thread plz

thats bill jobling to the thread plz
 

Amazon warrior

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Your best bet might be to contact an academic in the field- unfortunately, I can\'t suggest one off the top of my head, but a bit of a google with some appropriate search terms might bring someone up. Then maybe you can send them photos or video clips of what you\'ve observed and see what they say.
 

Bill

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Originally posted by sg2009
Originally posted by reverend
Erm, I had a book of British Birds for Christmas and a pair of binoculars...does that count? lol

What we need is a professional...


would Ms.bill jobling please come to the thread plz

thats bill jobling to the thread plz

Ms. Bill Jobling is here, avatar accordingly beautified ;)

It sounds like Steelcult needs a bit more expertise than I can offer, but I can have a go.
 

Neil H

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Big question is, what are they doing!!

& yes I do know a bit about birds (no more comments please!!)

Sparrows will flycatch and pick grit out of brickwork

Starlings mimic anything

Corvids can learn to talk, use things as tools and take things

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Sand Rat

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Ok - here are the behaviors, in a nutshell

Head dip coupled with tail spread and display - Observed in Bee Eaters, Larks, Magpies and other birds I have not identified - bird takes two to three steps, dips its head then displays its tail - followed by two or three more steps and the same - behavior has been observed in both male and female birds.

Mobbing/Vectored Mobbing - Larks - a large number of larks move into an area, split into groups of three or four birds then search the area - when they find something of interest the entire group will congregate based upon the calls of the ones finding the interesting bit - I have even observed a mob of larks chase an individual for something he was carrying.

I\'ve also watched ravens play dominance games by forcing one another off of perches - then the one who instituted the behavior follows the less dominant animal to where it landed and does the same thing again.
 

Dragonsreach

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Originally posted by steelcult
Ok - here are the behaviors, in a nutshell

Head dip coupled with tail spread and display - Observed in Bee Eaters, Larks, Magpies and other birds I have not identified - bird takes two to three steps, dips its head then displays its tail - followed by two or three more steps and the same - behavior has been observed in both male and female birds.
Ok the Magpie doing this definitly sounds (reads) as \'Mimiced\' behaviour something Magpies (and other Corvids) are noted for. We have a lot of Magpies around us, being inate scroungers and I\'ve seen two family groups fighting (Very Hitchcock-ian) as well as one \"Mantle\" over food as a Hawk would.
The Larks I\'m not sure about haven\'t seen enough \"Ground\" behaviour only flying ones.


Mobbing/Vectored Mobbing - Larks - a large number of larks move into an area, split into groups of three or four birds then search the area - when they find something of interest the entire group will congregate based upon the calls of the ones finding the interesting bit - I have even observed a mob of larks chase an individual for something he was carrying.
Mobbing is something observed in most bird species, especially group or flocking species. Within the group it\'s not uncommon as dominance factors come into play as well. However I\'ve observed mobbing behaviour carried out by smaller species against predatory birds, Crows, Magpies, Seagulls and Raptors, especially when they have \"nest raided\" chicks.

I\'ve also watched ravens play dominance games by forcing one another off of perches - then the one who instituted the behavior follows the less dominant animal to where it landed and does the same thing again.
Ravens are well noted for Dominance behaviour. There is an old and well defined collective for them as \"A Court of Ravens\". What you are describing is definatley a common heirarchical behaviour among an established colony.
Ravens have been observed attacking other Ravens from other colonies (Territorial Threat Behaviour) but also will allow \"exiles\" from colonies to join and mate, but force them to remain at the finges of the colonies.
In reference to the exiles, there are instances where the colony will force an individual away from the colonies area. Hence the \"exile\".
Good grief the old \"Haliwell\'s\" biology text book actually stuck with me.
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Neil H

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Sounds pretty concise to me!

I was hoping for tapping on the glass for food. I have had a Jay sitting on the empty feeder waiting for it to be filled up on a 3rd floor flat window!

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Amazon warrior

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Originally posted by reverend
God, i do love Jays. Lovely birds.
Yup, I love seeing the flash of blue when they fly. We have some in the garden back in Wales- in fact the garden\'s full of birds. It\'s nice to watch them. :)
 

Bigdennis52

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The only time I watch birds is when I am duck hunting...

This guy is my hero

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From the air to my table

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:twisted:
 

Gnome

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I read the last bit wrong.....
\"I\'ve also watched ravens play dominoes games....\" that is pretty unusual behavior. I\'m sure Bill Odie would have something to say about it.
 
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