Issues with GW imperial purple

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kittykat23uk

New member
Hey all,

not sure if this has been discussed before but I have experienced a problem with GWs Imperial Purple and the use of Woodland Scenics water effects. What happened was, I have been working on a jungle base for my carnasaur and I painted the rocks in thin layers of purples, greys and greens. Now I left that to dry and then applied some water effects in the hopes of creating a waterfall. Unfortunately, as the water effects dried, the purple was leached out and became incorporated into the waterfall, which is not what I wanted to happen.

I\'ve fixed the problem by stripping off the area and repainting using more graveyard earth tones and greens, then I gloss varnished the area and reapplied the water effects. No problems have been encountered this time.

Has anyone else experienced any problems with this colour? Is the vallejo version any better?

Thanks,

Kat
 
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SaxonAngel

nada
The vallejo version is the same. I found out the hard way after it leached onto some NMM gold on a cloak. :flame:

Many of the darker blues and purples seem to have this problem

Try sealing the purple area first with some varnish, before doing other stuff around it. Since I have been sealing the offending colour, there have been few problems.

Just my humble two cents...

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Flashman14

Member
wait a sec ... how long are we allowing it to dry first? Not overnight or anything?

Maybe it behaves differently (poorly) but it does ultimately dry right? (And becomes immune from disolution)
 
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Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
No, this was stuff left for days, that then bled horribly when varnished. I had a purple go swirly blue, quite a cool effect, but when you\'ve spent the last week carefully blending, its a pain.
 
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SaxonAngel

nada
Originally posted by Flashman14
wait a sec ... how long are we allowing it to dry first? Not overnight or anything?

Maybe it behaves differently (poorly) but it does ultimately dry right? (And becomes immune from disolution)
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Nope, sorry. It runs really bad even days and days after when I aerosol clearcoted it.

Most of the dark but intense blues and purps seem to be like this. But the varnish thing seems to work okay. Especially if I let the varnish dry overnight before clearcoating the whole thing. It helps but not 100% of the time

The water effects of either the stinky or acrylic variety from woodland scenics is nothing more than a clearcote too. So if it hits an exposed purple like some of the ones mentioned; Leak-o-rama!

It\'s a problem with using those wonderful colors that should be addressed by the paint manufacturers. anyone listening out there?


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Flashman14

Member
I just wanna make sure I got this right - it\'s the brush-on stuff (varnish or scenic effects water) that\'s stirring it up right - not a spray. Conceivably I\'ll have a lot of Imperial purple guys coming up- what specifically am I not to do?

The warning is ominous I just want to be sure I can heed it properly...
 
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Trevor

Brushlicker and Freak!
Flashman, I\'ve had problems with the testors gloss spray and the GW paint on gloss. Fortunately the Humbrol matte spray is OK, so that is now used to stop running.
 
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SaxonAngel

nada
Originally posted by Flashman14
I just wanna make sure I got this right - it\'s the brush-on stuff (varnish or scenic effects water) that\'s stirring it up right - not a spray. Conceivably I\'ll have a lot of Imperial purple guys coming up- what specifically am I not to do?

The warning is ominous I just want to be sure I can heed it properly...
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Since we all use different methods and products on this very international site. Here is my official suggestion.

Experiment with it first.

Put on some clear coat over the purple AND an adjacent (preferably lighter colored) area.
The purple only bleeds when touched by some of the most common clear varnishes (aerosol or otherwise). This includes water effects and stained glass paints.
Does it bleed purple into the neighboring area?
If so... Next, try clear coating (with a brush ) the purple area ONLY! Effectively sealing it off first from the others. It is , as usual :rolleyes:, better to let it dry overnight before putting on a varnish that covers another area and the purple, ie: like clear coating the whole thing... get it?

It\'s worth a try anyway. It\'s only sealing off the purp first. Not much to at least try it really. If it doesn\'t work... Someone else can come up with a plan \"B\" :D


Arrrgh I hope this helps anyways..


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SaxonAngel

nada
A mini with \"bleed\" problems

Okay you asked... here goes...

THE worst offender!!!

The following chaos sorcerer has some problems. At this point I had not figured out how to completely resolve it. BUT I REALLY TRIED!!! Look on the gold trim of the nauseating blue gloves. It gets a little odd colored in some lighter areas. Almost pinkish on the white highlights...

The same had happened on the tabard with the gems intially too. Looks like I managed to get them sealed properly.

I used it to my advantage in the starfield on his robe. The blue bled into the white stars, making them have great subtle edges. Of course I had to go over them about 10 more times till they stopped turning completely purple. :p


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IMHO, the absolute most worst color for this problem EVER... Is Vallejo\'s game color \"Sick Blue\" The purpley (WTF!?) version of GW\'s OOP Nauseating blue.

And that was supposed to be my 2 cents. But it became a dollar and a half. :wow:



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mouse

Member
hmm...

....somehow, i\'m not getting this \"bleaching\" problem with these colours (even other colours):

(1) midnight blue
(2) regal blue
(3) nauseating blue
(4) even imperial purple

or even others...maybe its the weather or the water u used...sometimes, i even apply the varnish only after a hour...

btw, i use both gw and vallejo paints.
 
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SaxonAngel

nada
Originally posted by mouse
....somehow, i\'m not getting this \"bleaching\" problem with these colours (even other colours):

(1) midnight blue
(2) regal blue
(3) nauseating blue
(4) even imperial purple

or even others...maybe its the weather or the water u used...sometimes, i even apply the varnish only after a hour...

btw, i use both gw and vallejo paints.
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Then you have been truly blessed by gods of minis. :D
 
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Rachel

New member
I\'ve been painting an Imperial purple army with a white trim - the first lot I did bled through horribly and turned it pink.

That was the stage that I tried doing all sorts of different things - leaving the purple for several days, painting black under where the white would go, using a paint-on varnish (and then using a paint-on and letting that dry for multiple days) - nothing worked.

The only thing I found that fixes it is spray varnish (I use GW\'s purity seal stuff) - a light spray (let dry) followed by heavier layers. Haven\'t had a problem with it since.

As dark blues go, Vallejo Stormy Blue doesn\'t bleed at all :) .
 
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