Kanye, we worship you
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vincegamer
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This is a very skewed image of ancient porn. Pornography is from the greek for sex writing (or sex drawing) and has a long tradition in the ancient world. Christianization of the Roman empire resulted in the destruction of a lot of pornography that used to grace the walls of public buildings, or to mark territorial boundaries.
For fun, if you are ever in Boston look up the grecian pottery section of the Museum of Fine Arts. They have the largest collection of homo-erotic grecian art on the continent.
Hieronymus
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To paraphrase Knights of the Dinner Table, \"...he thinks very highly of himself in spite of the facts staring him in the face...\" This whole self-aggrandizement thing gets boring after a while. Doesn\'t he know that people like it when celebrities at least *appear* to be self-effacing?
Ancient Rome had erotic frescoes all over the place, according to some shows I saw on the History Channel a few months ago. Often in the home where children would see them. And it doesn\'t seem to have affected their psyches, unless you count the desensitisation to sex and violence...
At a public bath in Pompeii, above the cubby holes where you\'d keep your toga and sandals while you were exfoliating, were images of erotic acts illegal in the Empire. Modern scholars speculate that it was like parking in the Donald Duck section at Disney World. The purpose was to give an humorous image to associate with the location of your belongings. \"Flavius, where\'s my stuff?\" \"Under the picture of the (insert unnatural act)\"
Well, I suppose much of it was inspired by Classical Mythology, so who am I to judge?
Ancient Rome had erotic frescoes all over the place, according to some shows I saw on the History Channel a few months ago. Often in the home where children would see them. And it doesn\'t seem to have affected their psyches, unless you count the desensitisation to sex and violence...
At a public bath in Pompeii, above the cubby holes where you\'d keep your toga and sandals while you were exfoliating, were images of erotic acts illegal in the Empire. Modern scholars speculate that it was like parking in the Donald Duck section at Disney World. The purpose was to give an humorous image to associate with the location of your belongings. \"Flavius, where\'s my stuff?\" \"Under the picture of the (insert unnatural act)\"
Well, I suppose much of it was inspired by Classical Mythology, so who am I to judge?
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Who let the porn expert in?
Here is my take on the guy, he seems to have missed a couple crucial teachings about humility, and of course playing the race card is bullcrap. Despite that i dont see how hes such a bad guy. If you so much as glance at the lyrics to \"jesus walks\" you would know its a good message hes conveying. And \"technicaly\" as long as hes not claiming to be Jesus its ok for him to wear that. Its probably promoting his song, but christians are supposed to emulate christ, thier goal is to imitate christ in all they do. Of course dressing up to fit the part is a bit much, but if hes trying to make a statement that hes a christian, then what better way of getting the point accross?? I suppose he could get it tatooed on his forhead, but getting himself with a crown of thorns on the cover of rolling stone aint bad either.
So yeah hes a pompas and full of it, but HE IS HUMAN, a crown of thorns on his head doesnt say otherwise as many have claimed.
James Caviezel wore a crown of thorns in the movie The Passion of the Christ, though i somehow doubt he actualy thought that made him Christ.
So yeah hes a pompas and full of it, but HE IS HUMAN, a crown of thorns on his head doesnt say otherwise as many have claimed.
James Caviezel wore a crown of thorns in the movie The Passion of the Christ, though i somehow doubt he actualy thought that made him Christ.
Really? Why then have I never seen any Christians trashing temples and nailing themselves to crosses?
I think you mean Christians are supposed to live by the teachings of Christ, which can be neatly summarised by \"Love thy neighbour\".
Unfortunately, people seem to get really baffled on a frequent basis...
Well jesus didnt exactly ask to be nailed to a cross. And he went about turning over the tables in the temple because they had turned the worship of God into a service only the temples could offer. And then to add insult to injury they made it so you had to pay them all kinds of fees in order to go in and offer a sacrifice. So he did that to show the immorality of their practice.
I think the reason you dont see that now is because jesus had the authority to pass judgment vs christian followers who are told to leave judgment up to God and to not pass any judgment of their own. (though there arent to many who heed that command)
So christians dont get nailed to trees all that often, nor do they claim to be God (well there are the nutters) But their still supposed to emulate christ in all they do. As far as how they handle situations of morality, their daily interation with people around them, their outlook on life, their atitiudes and ideals, etc.
Im sure most people have heard the WWJD phrase, (what would jesus do?) That illustrates the point quite well. The imitation of christ is just one of those things that the bible teaches and most people choose to ignore because its easier that way.
I think the reason you dont see that now is because jesus had the authority to pass judgment vs christian followers who are told to leave judgment up to God and to not pass any judgment of their own. (though there arent to many who heed that command)
So christians dont get nailed to trees all that often, nor do they claim to be God (well there are the nutters) But their still supposed to emulate christ in all they do. As far as how they handle situations of morality, their daily interation with people around them, their outlook on life, their atitiudes and ideals, etc.
Im sure most people have heard the WWJD phrase, (what would jesus do?) That illustrates the point quite well. The imitation of christ is just one of those things that the bible teaches and most people choose to ignore because its easier that way.
laurence
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A lad who likes a little wrap...
I think that (I sense your eyes rolling and you thinking.. \"Who cares what you think laurence\")...
Anyway, I was looking @ buying some new jeans the other day here in Taiwan and heard American rap music playing in the background. I had no choice to listen to the really offensive sexist lyrics.
Truly words that put women down and clearly stuff that\'s got a really negative message to it.
However, the background groove was kind of cool. I thinks that\'s what people are attracted to. The bass and drum grooves and cool rhythms.
I\'m sure if the shop owner actually understood the lyrics he/she would turn that music off and put on some otherl music.. Like Pink Floyd, SRV, Frank Zappa, Grand Master Flash, Muddy Waters, Nick Cave, Bach, or anything else that\'s got a little soul and melody working for it.
You\'ve got to admit this kanju (or whatever his name is) rapper d00d sounds entertaining.
I think that (I sense your eyes rolling and you thinking.. \"Who cares what you think laurence\")...
Anyway, I was looking @ buying some new jeans the other day here in Taiwan and heard American rap music playing in the background. I had no choice to listen to the really offensive sexist lyrics.
Truly words that put women down and clearly stuff that\'s got a really negative message to it.
However, the background groove was kind of cool. I thinks that\'s what people are attracted to. The bass and drum grooves and cool rhythms.
I\'m sure if the shop owner actually understood the lyrics he/she would turn that music off and put on some otherl music.. Like Pink Floyd, SRV, Frank Zappa, Grand Master Flash, Muddy Waters, Nick Cave, Bach, or anything else that\'s got a little soul and melody working for it.
You\'ve got to admit this kanju (or whatever his name is) rapper d00d sounds entertaining.
I used to live by WWBD (What Would Bacchus Do), but after having to get a liver transplant, I had to find a new philosophy to live by.
I then tried WWHD (What Would Hephaestus Do), but sitting around crippled and forging things with an unfaithful wife didn\'t seem to help.
So then I tried WWZD (What Would Zeus Do) when I realized there wasn\'t much Zeus wouldn\'t do. (Zeus was a man whore.)
I now live by the WWTD ( What Would Thor Do) I usually end up smiting someone.
I then tried WWHD (What Would Hephaestus Do), but sitting around crippled and forging things with an unfaithful wife didn\'t seem to help.
So then I tried WWZD (What Would Zeus Do) when I realized there wasn\'t much Zeus wouldn\'t do. (Zeus was a man whore.)
I now live by the WWTD ( What Would Thor Do) I usually end up smiting someone.
Shawn R. L.
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Salvation is the gift you accepy - becomming Christ like is one choice after another. The bible\'s rather clear that claiming to be a Christian is rather meaningless unless you LIVE it. There are some hard choices to be made in the virtues of \'the sermon on the mount\'.
Not all rap is crap. I was there when it started, back in the days of Run DMC, the Fat Boys, however, just like in pop there is no real talent anymore, all synthesized corporate whores that will be dumped when the next big thing comes around. And while there may be a shining example of talent, they are usually drowned out by the hundreds of untalented Posers.
As the song goes
Would he wear a pinkey ring
Would he drive a fancy car
Would his wife wear furs and diamonds
Would his dressing room have a star
I ask you this
Would Jesus where a Rolex on his television show
I think thats pretty close to the lyrics, and it was about Jim Baker but I\'m thinking that it probilty applies here to this situation. The one question that I have, is why do they all ways dress as JC? Why not Muhomand <sp?>, or some other theogly God/profet/saint etc?
Would he wear a pinkey ring
Would he drive a fancy car
Would his wife wear furs and diamonds
Would his dressing room have a star
I ask you this
Would Jesus where a Rolex on his television show
I think thats pretty close to the lyrics, and it was about Jim Baker but I\'m thinking that it probilty applies here to this situation. The one question that I have, is why do they all ways dress as JC? Why not Muhomand <sp?>, or some other theogly God/profet/saint etc?
Einion
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Yeah, sadly the message tends to insinuate itself along with the music for too many young people, who can become inured, leading to a perpetuation of the sexist, pro-violence, pro-gun, in-your-face \"don\'t diss me or I\'ll pop a cap in yo\' ass\" attitude (q.v. too many young black men in the UK).
Maybe, but he\'s still a twat
Einion
Thats a seriously good point. I think it is a problem. I was brought up to believe that you EARN respect. But, even in our schools they teach the kids that everyone DESERVES respect. There is some truth in that, but some dangers too.
Rap continues to degenerate to the lowest common denominator. I\'m no student of the music, but I think it lacks any of the political statement it once had. It promotes ignorance, materialism, extreme sexism and violence.
ROCK and ROLL pushed the boundries too, in its early days. Of course, that all seems very tame now, but I\'m sure in its day it was seen as quite shocking, and a bit frightening. Is that all this is? Is it the same thing, just kicked up a level?
Pretty much. If adults don\'t hate the \"Crap\" those \"Damn kids\" with their [insert stupid fashion trend here] are lsitening to, what\'s the point? In my day (God, that makes me sound old!!) the music promoted indescriminate sex, indescriminate substance abuse. and radical leftist politics. The sacreligious aspect? I seem to remember John Lennon declaring that they (the Beatles) were more popular than the Bible. And there\'s absolutely nothing that markets better than controversy! And, of course, as has been mentioned in another thread, there is absolutely nothing about being talented that keeps you from being a complete ass.
Anyone who listens to musicians, artists or actors for their opinions about anything other than music, acting or art is just asking for it.My generation in particular (who came of age in the 60\'s and 70\'s) always surprise and disappoint me though. They looked at Marilyn Manson and were shocked - forgetting entirely about Alice Cooper and Kiss. They look at todays youth and declare that they dress stupidly. Have any of you SEEN pictures from the 60\'s and 70\'s
You\'d be hard pressed to dress stupider than that. They complain that there\'s way to much emphasis on sex and drugs. Did they completely forget about Woodstock and almost any other excuse to get high and screw? They complain that the kids don\'t respect authority. Who invented the idea of not trusting anyone over 30 ??? Everytime I think I\'m going to be shocked by anything going on in \"pop culture\" all I have to do is think back to when I was a teenager and on into my late 20s. After I realise there\'s a whole bunch of it I CAN\'T remember...While I do agree with you in many respects, Dauber, I still firmly believe that many of the bands making it today, would not have made it in the 60\'s and 70\'s, before the synthesizers, before the computerized studio editing.
For example...
I went to a Kiss concert, they sounded just like the albums with a little variation, Eagles same thing, as so the Little River Band.
I saw Pearl Jam, No Doubt, and a couple newer bands live and they just cannot compete, they sound nothing like the albums.
The technology has made it so any shmoe can sound good.
And I actually like a few Marilyn Manson songs, while I hate the lead singer on a personal level (another story, ask about it later.) I absolutely love the guitar in \"The Beautiful People\".
For example...
I went to a Kiss concert, they sounded just like the albums with a little variation, Eagles same thing, as so the Little River Band.
I saw Pearl Jam, No Doubt, and a couple newer bands live and they just cannot compete, they sound nothing like the albums.
The technology has made it so any shmoe can sound good.
And I actually like a few Marilyn Manson songs, while I hate the lead singer on a personal level (another story, ask about it later.) I absolutely love the guitar in \"The Beautiful People\".
Video killed the radio star...
I think we have MTV to thank for that. It is all a package, and it seems the visual image may be the most important . I always wondered if super talented acts from the 60-70\'s would have \'made it\' if they also had to sell the image.
Marilyn Manson is a good example. Would he have made it if he relied on his talent alone? I agree, there are a few cool songs, but try to listen to one of the albums, pure crap.
How many great talented singers are there out there today that will never be \'discovered\' because they don\'t look like Britney Spears, or Marilyn Manson, or whichever little package would sell?
I think we have MTV to thank for that. It is all a package, and it seems the visual image may be the most important . I always wondered if super talented acts from the 60-70\'s would have \'made it\' if they also had to sell the image.
Marilyn Manson is a good example. Would he have made it if he relied on his talent alone? I agree, there are a few cool songs, but try to listen to one of the albums, pure crap.
How many great talented singers are there out there today that will never be \'discovered\' because they don\'t look like Britney Spears, or Marilyn Manson, or whichever little package would sell?
