Life on Mars!

mattsterbenz

New member
Life could exist on Mars... right now!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2133475.ece

\"Experts speculate that the methane is being emitted as a waste product by organisms called methanogens living in water beneath underground ice. \"

Incredible!

Thoughts?

-Matt
 

BarstoolProphet

New member
The very next sentence after the one you quote : \"And they would have to be alive today because the methane would otherwise have been lost from the Martian atmosphere.\"

This sort of baffles me. Where would the methane have been lost to? Wouldn\'t it remain in the atmosphere at some level, whether in terms of detectability, or at least altitude? I mean, Mars has gravity, which means that said methane couldn\'t leave the planet completely.

Or does methane break down completely, over time, into something else?
 

mattsterbenz

New member
Mars has a very weak magnetic field, so the \"solar wind\" causes it\'s atmosphere to be lost over time. Essentially it is \"blown away\". I\'m pretty sure that\'s what would happen to the methane.

-Matt
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Originally posted by mattsterbenz
Mars has a very weak magnetic field, so the \"solar wind\" causes it\'s atmosphere to be lost over time. Essentially it is \"blown away\". I\'m pretty sure that\'s what would happen to the methane.

-Matt
Took an atmospherics class in college (wish I\'d kept the book now), and one of the exercises was to see how long it would take for enough hydrogen to escape from Mars, and thus deplete it of water. If I remember, it wasn\'t long geologically speaking. So, one theory. Still, I think that huge methane sea on Titan is much more interesting.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
Originally posted by BarstoolProphet
This sort of baffles me. Where would the methane have been lost to?
As I understand how it was explained Methane breaksdown in sunlight.
Not sure of the timescale on it\'s \"lifespan\".
 

Farin

New member
somebody said atmosperic science ?

well guys you got an enviromental engineering / air quality major in the house:D


to answer your question :methane is actually a very stable little molecule,due to it´s molecular structure ( i can go in to detail if you like .. ), and in earth´s troposphere ( that´s the layer of the atmosphere that goes from the ground to about 8- 10 km ) it has a half-life of several years before it is deposited or destroyed.

in the higher layers of the atmosphere however, methane is broken down by UV light ( photolysis ) and ofte reacts with certain natural occuring chemicals to produce water ( which is a major concern of climate scientists since methane and water are natural greenhouse gases and the methane level is constantly rising due to animal husbandry )

on mars however, photolysis probably occurs even in the lower layers of the atmosphere (no ozone layer to hold back the hard UV fraction ) and destroys any methane molecule. when you add the fact that methane is highly volatile and can easily escape into space due to mars low gravity it is easy to see that any methane they find is probably not very old. (my gues is maybe weeks...it depends on the concentration of methane and certain physical parameters of the mars atmosphere i don´t know about )

the real amazing thing is that i know no anorganic reaction that produces methane. as far as my books say, methane is always a product of microbiological activity in the absence of oxygen and the presence of water

so as long as they don´t find a way how mars possibly could produce methane - yes ladys and gentlemen ,pop the champagne ,because even so itis tiny and has only one cell, we have found life on mars
 

Talion

New member
DONT PANIC!!!!

It was me.

I had an exceptionally hot curry a few nights ago.

I\'m quite chuffed that my fumes got as far as MARS. :D
 

hestan101

New member
i want gene hunt:evil:

6a00c2252293c4604a00d4142e09b23c7f-320pi
 

StarFyre

Active member
actually

if you read the actual nasa article it states how it may not be due to organisms, but can also be due to certain geologic events, etc.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/marsmethane.html

so it\'s possible, but not proven. I hope it is though :D

Sanjay
 

ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Jesus Christ you guys!

You\'re actually HAPPY life on mars may exist? In case you missed the book/film/radio adaptation of the H.G. Wells story, life on Mars is BAD NEWS for us earth types.

Then theres that famous piece of music. Whatsit called again \"Mars, bringer of piece and prosperity\"?. Oh, no. That\'s not it it\'s \"Mars, Bringer of WAR!!!\". Look it up, that stuff is real.

And EVEN if they were peaceful (Spielberg says no. You wanna argue with him?) how is that a good thing? I\'ve got an entire species of people making fun of my eyebrow, my gut, a recently developed stoop, and my general physical condition. I really, really don\'t want to pass little green men hanging out at the mall and have to listen to shit like \"Hey, Grok this guy\'s odnards! Ha, he can\'t even lenvisicate with the proper essimtronation!\".

My ego just couldn\'t take that.

Well, I\'m off to the basement to entrecnh myself and start sharpening up my shovels. Let me know is NASA changes there tune. I\'ll be watching....

Can\'t believe you guys are looking forward to this shit.
 

EArkham

Necromancer
Well... frankly, dude, your odnards could use some work. I think everyone was just too polite to mention it.

Kep
 

Undave

Flockwit
You know you\'re supposed to defrodgenate your odnards at least once a flaaarg otherwise you\'ll experience a buildup of mungle and you don\'t want that.
 

hestan101

New member
Originally posted by Undave
You know you\'re supposed to defrodgenate your odnards at least once a flaaarg otherwise you\'ll experience a buildup of mungle and you don\'t want that.

crhist almighty ive stepped into a flanimals thread!!!:eek:
 
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