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Torn blue sky
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Not too sure what this will achieve but I done it anyway. It\'s one of the things that makes me truly sick at the prospect, just hope it helps in some way! 
No Such Agency
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I was actually planning on preventing child pornography by, you know, not creating any, but if you think candles will help...
Actually, no.
Online child porn is a scare issue. \"Commercial viability\"? The number of countries where kiddie porn is NOT criminal can probably be counted on one hand and I\'m including places like Somalia which has no government. Police forces regularly troll chat rooms, discussion boards and wherever the heck else perverts hang out online, posing as children or pedophiles, and barely a week goes by without news of an arrest somewhere in North America or Europe. They don\'t need to be \"encouraged to eradicate child pornography\". I\'ve never heard of an ISP that would NOT suspend an account and call the cops if they knew the person was exchanging child porn. They don\'t need to be \"encouraged to eradicate child pornography\" either.
Call me cynical but I\'d be willing to bet that a lot of groups vocally opposing child pornography are fronting for people who really want to criminalize ALL porn, including that containing 100% consenting adults. And that just makes my free-speech-o-meter go woop-woop-woop.
Actually, no.
Online child porn is a scare issue. \"Commercial viability\"? The number of countries where kiddie porn is NOT criminal can probably be counted on one hand and I\'m including places like Somalia which has no government. Police forces regularly troll chat rooms, discussion boards and wherever the heck else perverts hang out online, posing as children or pedophiles, and barely a week goes by without news of an arrest somewhere in North America or Europe. They don\'t need to be \"encouraged to eradicate child pornography\". I\'ve never heard of an ISP that would NOT suspend an account and call the cops if they knew the person was exchanging child porn. They don\'t need to be \"encouraged to eradicate child pornography\" either.
Call me cynical but I\'d be willing to bet that a lot of groups vocally opposing child pornography are fronting for people who really want to criminalize ALL porn, including that containing 100% consenting adults. And that just makes my free-speech-o-meter go woop-woop-woop.
\"THis petition will be used to encourage governments, politicians, financial institutions, payment organisations, ISP\'s, technology companies and law enforement agencies to eradicate the commercial viability of online child pornography.\"
When this means that they\'re going to start killing the people that make it, and the people that go out of their way to buy it, then that will mean they\'re \'eradicating\' the commercial viability of any kind of child pornography.
Until then, this is just blowing smoke at the issue. We can light candles, sign petitions, wave signs on pieces of wood in front of government buildings.... to no avail.
Give money to the police departments. They need it to keep such task forces in operation.
When this means that they\'re going to start killing the people that make it, and the people that go out of their way to buy it, then that will mean they\'re \'eradicating\' the commercial viability of any kind of child pornography.
Until then, this is just blowing smoke at the issue. We can light candles, sign petitions, wave signs on pieces of wood in front of government buildings.... to no avail.
Give money to the police departments. They need it to keep such task forces in operation.
misterjustin
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Okay, you\'re cynical. You\'re also correct.
One year ago in August the FBI re-initiated an \"anti-porn\" investigatory branch. Their target is \"manufacturers and purveyors of pornography\" -- not child porn, not bestiality, not porn already illegal under US law. Consensual pornography between consensual adults that they, the FBI, feel is obscene.
In addition, two of the previous child-pornography bills to come before the US congress would have made it illegal for any actual or “fictional” child-pornography to be distributed. That includes photos of 40 year-old women claiming to be teens. The bill only lost because it would have included, I kid you not, “Romeo & Juliet” (13/14 years old), the book “Lolita” for obvious reasons, and any other work of fiction that may be construed to contain child-pornography.
Child-pornography is a real and legitimate issue. It is a horrible, heinous crime and anyone engaging it should be dealt with in the harshest possible manner available to their government. But the question becomes where does it stop?
A very dear friend of mine spent time in jail for owning a copy of a 1970s book for children on anatomy. It was a gift from his mother when he was a child. In it are photos of people in non-provocative photos fully nude – front, sides and back of a man, woman, boy and girl. It is, after all, an anatomy book. It is also now illegal to own under US law. My friend was finally acquitted but only after a harsh investigation (cleared on all counts) and having his name on the front page of the local paper… which prompted him to move and leave his job of 20 years.
Now he advocates for families in similar situations. This includes parents who have lost their children because they had photos of the kids playing in the bathtub sitting on their mantle. There are similar situations – but that one is my favorite. I have yet to meet a parent that doesn’t have photos of their kids playing in the tub. Turns out it is okay to have them but not to display them.
Normally I wouldn’t make a post to something like this, but I felt compelled to respond.
This is a real problem. We need real solutions.
Unfortunately I don’t have one to share. I honestly, truly wish that I did.
Torn blue sky
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Your kidding me! it\'s \"illegal\" to have pictures of your kids nekkid?!
Theres loads of me in the albums! Does that make me some kind of child porn star???
I think the lines are geting blurred here! It seems to be a case of prosecuting people like that to make some kind of quota and be seen to be doing something about it, whereas the REAL sick fucks out there are getting away with it!
Theres loads of me in the albums! Does that make me some kind of child porn star???
I think the lines are geting blurred here! It seems to be a case of prosecuting people like that to make some kind of quota and be seen to be doing something about it, whereas the REAL sick fucks out there are getting away with it!
So when my relatives look at the photos of me when i was a kid with me tiddly bits hanging out because i was in the bath, are then then subject to the laws of peadophillia?
I also heard that if a 16 year old child, gets into a relationship with a 15 year old, they can be scrutinised under the pedophile laws.
As Mick said there is to many blurry grey lines that need focused and sharpened up.
I also heard that if a 16 year old child, gets into a relationship with a 15 year old, they can be scrutinised under the pedophile laws.
As Mick said there is to many blurry grey lines that need focused and sharpened up.
wiccanpony
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damn.....think of all those photos of the baby, butt naked on a blanket, that I know every mother has ... pure porn! ya, they need to use some common sense......wait..........I’m talking about the government! :drool::wow:misterjustin
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I\'d have to do some digging on this one -- but as I understand it in the US the boy can be charged under the statutory rape laws.
Bear in mind that 76% of the United States have an age-of-consent under 18. The lowest is 14 in three states.
Torn blue sky
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Correct, the older would be charged with statuatory rape.
MPJ
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In Canada it\'s 16 (99% sure) as age of consent if the other party is less than 5 years older. 18 yrs old for general age of consent.
As for blurry lines, just make me king of the world and I\'ll make the lines nice and clear. Oh yeah and I\'ll have extra bullets issued to the courts.
BTW, not that I think having pictures of your kids in the bath on the mantle is wrong, but any pictures of my kids on display where they are nekked (like in the bath) have their bits covered (carefully photographed that way... bubblebath over the parts type of thing).
As for blurry lines, just make me king of the world and I\'ll make the lines nice and clear. Oh yeah and I\'ll have extra bullets issued to the courts.
BTW, not that I think having pictures of your kids in the bath on the mantle is wrong, but any pictures of my kids on display where they are nekked (like in the bath) have their bits covered (carefully photographed that way... bubblebath over the parts type of thing).
Drake Farstrider
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So if pictures of nekkid kids is illegal, how did Nirvana get away with it on their Nevermind cover?
misterjustin
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Yuppers. It\'s also next to impossible to get statutory rape to stick if the elder child is female. Juries have a really hard time accepting that boys can be raped by girls... even when it\'s the parents bringing charges.
misterjustin
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That\'s a fine, fine question. I just did a google image search - my copy does NOT have the first photo that comes up.
Drake Farstrider
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What is the image on yours? ???
