look ma, someone doesn\'t like my toy soldiers!

[Trovarion]

ok, not that I give all that much about an interwebs score, that every jealous one and their dog can vote on my pictures (that I suck at doing anyway ) - because this is a hobby for me and I\'m not gonna define the fun I am having by that score or something.

But i always wanted to ask: how sad does your life have to be when you are spending time on sniping down minis (to make your own stand out more ??? )? how much does one have to suffer and be driven? lol...
I\'d say get some real skills and improve your skills that way, because people with brains will see a mini that is overrated anyway

and yes, I am refering to this http://www.coolminiornot.com/227307 dropping from 9.7 to 9.3 in the blink of an eye
just want to take the opportunity again to thank all the people who comented, means a lot more to me than the score

 

[Legacy Account]

If the score doesn\'t mean anything, why post?

TBH 9.7 would be inflated for me. 9.3 feels about right. Great work and awesome detailing, but there\'s something not quite right about the proportions of the lower half of the model. Anatomically it looks slightly odd.

But you\'re right, sniping is sad

 

[kathrynloch]

Ohhh - I voted on this one a couple of days ago. It wasn\'t me, I gave you a 10. I think it\'s absolutely beautiful!

It\'s a shame some folks are petty and vidictive but unfortunately dems da breaks. You\'ve got a truly fine piece of work - where can I buy it?



Cheers,
Kat

PS - I think the shape of the breastplate with the low waistline and the angle of the camera shot is what is giving an illusion of of the proportions being off. I\'ve done lots of sculpting myself - although not miniature - and have run across this type of thing before. The measurements can be dead on - but the angle makes it look off.

 

[Trovarion]

Orginal gepostet von Spacemunkie
TBH 9.7 would be inflated for me. 9.3 feels about right.

I guess we shouldnt call them snipers then, but SCORE POLICE :bouncy:

@Kat: thanks =) also thanks for your coment on the mini!

 

[majestic0110]

Sniping, it seems, is a very popular topic on CMON at present!

 

[Jericho]

I won\'t bother to comment on the sniping (it\'s not something new) but I will say that the shins do look a bit short compared to the thighs. I think that\'s what people are referring to, not the overall leg length.

 

[Ghaffasa]

By broadcasting your irritation, you only make it more interesting for these people, since they realise how much it affects you.

If they truly are sad persons without anything better to do, this will very likely give them reason to keep doing it.

My only advice is to ignore it.

 

[Trovarion]

Orginal gepostet von GhaffasaIf they truly are sad persons without anything better to do, this will very likely give them reason to keep doing it.

oh by all means...if a sniper reads this...be my guest and continue to do this ^^ I\'ll be out in the sun meanwhile

 

[In Chigh P.I.]

Originally posted by Ghaffasa
...My only advice is to ignore it...

i second that

btw Trovarion, your work is amazing, with your talent you should be beyond caring about scores on the \'interwebs\'

 

[Shadzar]

To be honest, if one goes by the voting guide; then this mini isn\'t even a 5 as it requires 3 colors to be tabletop quality for golden demon.

I didn\'t vote so, you would not get yet another crappy vote, but if I would and following the guide, I would have given it a 5 for being a good sculpt. Of course that doesn\'t reflect the work, just going by the voting guide itself and warhammer requirements.

Should there be a separate thing for greens, or no guide I have been using for years...I would give it a 9 as a green.

 

[supervike]

CMoN!

We have such a double standard here.

When a mediocre painter complains about his score, he\'s blasted.

When a super duper artist complains....he gets coddled?

I wanna see some blasting and taunts of getting thicker skin!!!

lollollol

 

[Avelorn]

Well to be absolutely honest I think it\'s more of a 9.3 then a 9.7. When stuff goes down people say it\'s sniping when it goes up people say it \"levels out\". It hurts of course to loose a 9.7 though and it is still bloody good work. A 9 from me!

@Vike: YEAH! Double standard FTW!

@Shadzar: Seriously there is a category for greens. The \"pretend you are a GD judge\" etc. does not mean that you can\'t judge miniatures from another manufacturer. It doesn\'t mean that you have to give out a bronze, silver and gold statue to the ones you think are the best in each of the eleven categories, it doesn\'t mean that miniatures need to be on their standard GW bases... and it doesn\'t even mean that you have to award someone a slayer sword in the end. It is just something to help people make a choice.

I\'m sure that you really, deep down inside, understand that and I\'m also confident that you can make a wise choice when judging scratch built, unpainted, miniatures.

 

[Trovarion]

Orginal gepostet von Avelorn
When stuff goes down people say it\'s sniping when it goes up people say it \"levels out\".

oh yeah, I\'m one sad bastard, eh?

so, what else is it, if not sniping? (jumping from 170 to 200 votes in a matter of hours, when it took 10 days to get 170 votes? how do we call it?) can it be classified as justified score correction? :bouncy:

 

[ScottRadom]

Actually, what it sounds like is that the votes had come in and then finally got updated. Sometimes it seems the vote updates happen immediately and on other days it happens like once a day. Or so it seems.

9.3 is a score to be cherished and loved. Also after 50 votes as far as I can tell the filter system gets locked in place and any real \"sniper\" votes get pitched. I think.

It\'s a fine model. any score of 9 or more represents one of the finest pieces of work in our chosen hobby. So quit yer bitchin\'lol

If I were voting I would give it a 9 easy, which puts it in line with the scores I give most of Freeman\'s sculpts, so you\'re in good company.

Seriously though, a score of 9,3 is hardly an indicator you\'ve been sniped, or that people have issues with you outside of your fine work shown. If you want sympathy you\'re going to have to score a lot worse then a 9 around here I think!

So keep up the good work, I do liek what I see in your profile!

 

[DrEvilmonki]

It is also now in the top last 7 days list so more people will be seeing it.

There are certainly people who will vote a figure up or down if they percieve it is inflated/deflated. But honestly in this case I would simply say you had an increase in traffic due to showing up in the 7 days list.

 

[laurence]

Sniped?

When you uploaded your pic I\'m sure you got many generous people tapping the 10. This inflated your score to 9.7, which is way too high for this mini. I\'d argue that the opposite of \'sniping\' is going on. D00ds are voting too high! Then as people voted in the 8\'s and 9\'s you\'re initial score dropped to 9.3. Which is also too high. I\'d say 8.6/8.7 is about right.

Your mini is pretty good, but many parts of it look like a million other minis from other companies. Not a mini I\'d really care to own, to be brutally honest.

The lion thang looks very similar to the lions on the \'Rackham\' Les Lions D\'Alahan minis. So no originality points there. Also, the fur coats been done a zillion times. My point is, this guy looks like so many other minis, and doesn\'t stand out as anything fresh or outstanding. I\'m voting 8. And I ain\'t no sniper!

Hope you don\'t feel I\'m being too harsh. Just being honest Keep sculpting as you do have a talent for it.

 

[Avelorn]

Originally posted by Trovarion

Orginal gepostet von Avelorn
When stuff goes down people say it\'s sniping when it goes up people say it \"levels out\".

oh yeah, I\'m one sad bastard, eh?

so, what else is it, if not sniping? (jumping from 170 to 200 votes in a matter of hours, when it took 10 days to get 170 votes? how do we call it?) can it be classified as justified score correction? :bouncy:

True haha.. Well of course it\'s sniping nonetheless it would need 30 consecutive 7\'s to take it down to 9.3. but on the other hand the score was perhaps a bit inflated before. So to my eyes it has \"leveled out\". But that is just my opinion.

I really wish we had more power as mods to look into the scores more in detail.

 

[freakinacage]

Originally posted by Jericho
I won\'t bother to comment on the sniping (it\'s not something new) but I will say that the shins do look a bit short compared to the thighs. I think that\'s what people are referring to, not the overall leg length.

i agree, the shins definately seem too short. lovely piece though, i\'d vote an 8 but i am a hard bastard (you can count the 10s that i have given out on my fingers!)

 

[Shadzar]

Originally posted by Avelorn
@Shadzar: Seriously there is a category for greens. The \"pretend you are a GD judge\" etc. does not mean that you can\'t judge miniatures from another manufacturer. It doesn\'t mean that you have to give out a bronze, silver and gold statue to the ones you think are the best in each of the eleven categories, it doesn\'t mean that miniatures need to be on their standard GW bases... and it doesn\'t even mean that you have to award someone a slayer sword in the end. It is just something to help people make a choice.

I\'m sure that you really, deep down inside, understand that and I\'m also confident that you can make a wise choice when judging scratch built, unpainted, miniatures.

Seeing all mini follow the same rules, and the voting guide has always existed, I stand by what I have always done. Not ever having been to a golden demon competition, nor really know how voting on them is (like many user of this site, I would assume). I use the limited info I have which is golden dome competition if a GW contest. GW requires 3 colors of paint on each mini in a tournament, and must at least require that for golden demon. Then following the voting guide:

Voting Guide: Pretend you\'re a Golden Demon judge. Painting skill, imagination and style are key! 10 is amazing, 8 is a great job, 5 is tabletop quality. Turn off this guide

3 colors = can be on the table to play = tabletop quality = 5 by the voting guide.

It is how I interpreted the guide form day one upon reading it, and have stuck with that interpretation ever since, so that my voting is fair to all. Painting skill cannot be counted when there isn\'t any on the mini.

So while greens have category, and SciFi (not SyFy), and scratchbuilt, and fantasy each have their own category; they all still fall into the big overall.

A green technically should get all 1\'s by the voting guide, because like a store bought mini in a blister, it is just another unpainted mini. Would it be fair to those painters of lesser skill out there that toil through painting their first mini just to get 3 base colors on for playing for someone to post a GW mini in its blister and get tabletop quality for the untouched mini in the blister, while the painted mini gets 1 or 2 voted on it?

That is why I said that if the guide never existed, and I didn\'t have my own understanding of it for years to follow fairly for all minis then it would be different. But it does exist, and not clearly explained. I started voting one way and will keep doing so. Unpainted minis should not get a 5 because tabletop quality would mean allowed in a tournament, which is at least 3 colors of paint on the mini.

I said screw it a few times with Shawn R.L., Nym, and would with this one and give it the 5 even though it has no paint on it.

So blame the voting guide, and the fact it exist, but I will be fair to all using my interpretation from it the same for all minis. I am sure a golden demon judge likewise has set standards they follow. So I do make a wise choice. I follow the same standard, and don\'t change it just because CMoN added new categories, because it would be unfair to any mini I have previously voted on if I don\'t keep the same standards.

Tabletop quality requires 3 colors of paint to get a 5. From there I look at the mini to decide how well the paint was applied to adjust that score up or down from the 5, then look at the other features (basing/mods/etc) to see if they add or detract from the paintjob. So no paint, nothing higher than a 5 for it. I doubt a green would even be allowed to enter a GD now would it? So if you want my voting system to change, then remove all votes form the system so people start over with no votes on any mini, and remove the current guide, or replace it with one that explains things a bit better. I won\'t be unfair to those minis I have voted on in the past 6 years just because a new craze has hit or a new category has been added, that doesn\'t require a finished mini.

Alternately, the unpainted stuff could be taken out of the overall rankings and give each user rankings for painted and unpainted minis. Then the greens can have a full scale range for their own things without being bother by not being painted and have their own voting guide not related to needed to be painted.

I would love for that. CMoN to have a sister site. \"coolsculptornot.com\" just for unpainted greens and scratchbuilts.

It is how I voted, and stick to it, not matter who the artist is, or what the mini is, or who/which company made it. That way it is fair to all.

 

[Ritual]

FFS!! What\'s so difficult about judging a sculpt on its sculpting merits? The voting guide is just that... a guide! Not a strict rule. And, quite obviously, it is only applicable on paintjobs, not sculpts. I can\'t believe some people get so hung up on that little line of text... ???