Military experiments
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This clip was on horizons or something the other day on the BBC.
They took 20 drugs and placed them in order of how dangerous they were. Making claims that the current classifications set up in the 70\'s were based on ignorance towards the effects.
And apparently a lot of psychotherapists want LSD to be legalised for psychotherapy and it can help breakdown mental walls faster than just talking, and has no adverse effects.
Interesting program.
And it\'s here if any brits want to watch it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008x3hq.shtml?q=horizon&go=Find+Programmes&scope=iplayersearch&start=1&version_pid=b008x3g9
Only 7 hours left in which to do so though.
They took 20 drugs and placed them in order of how dangerous they were. Making claims that the current classifications set up in the 70\'s were based on ignorance towards the effects.
And apparently a lot of psychotherapists want LSD to be legalised for psychotherapy and it can help breakdown mental walls faster than just talking, and has no adverse effects.
Interesting program.
And it\'s here if any brits want to watch it:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008x3hq.shtml?q=horizon&go=Find+Programmes&scope=iplayersearch&start=1&version_pid=b008x3g9
Only 7 hours left in which to do so though.
Dragon Forge Design
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Yeah the only problem was no one could figure out how to get it into your enemys water supply.
Most countries experimented with LSD and the military in the 60\'s and 70\'s.
When I was in college, we had a guy on my floor in the dorms who at the beginning of the school year was brilliant straight A student.. started experimenting with LSD mid way through first semester..by the end of the Second semester he was so fried from it..one night we came home from the bars finding him naked in the middle of the floor in his room laughing like a mad man peeing all over himself.. Never saw him the next year..
Most countries experimented with LSD and the military in the 60\'s and 70\'s.
When I was in college, we had a guy on my floor in the dorms who at the beginning of the school year was brilliant straight A student.. started experimenting with LSD mid way through first semester..by the end of the Second semester he was so fried from it..one night we came home from the bars finding him naked in the middle of the floor in his room laughing like a mad man peeing all over himself.. Never saw him the next year..
\"Imagine there\'s a war and everybody is on LSD\" lol
Seriously:
LSD is a derivative of ergot, a crop fungus. It grows good during cold humid years. In mediveal time there had been a longer cold period. So in this times ergot could spread widely in the crop. The infested bread was given to poor people or was eaten. So many people tripped out like on LSD.
It is proved that the times where it was ideal for ergot were also the high times for witch burning...
Last accident with LSD was at a factory in France in the 60s. The flour for the fabric\'s cantina breads was infested. After 2 days the people went mad, hurting eachother or themselves.
So even if its a \"natural\" drug, DONT MESS WITH LSD!
Well another story on drugs in armies:
Seen a documentary about US jetpilots. They said that most of them had to subscribe to a medical program which was in fact the use of uppers and downers during combat missions. Don\'t know if the program is still running or if the documentary was not false (at least it looked convincing).
Seriously:
LSD is a derivative of ergot, a crop fungus. It grows good during cold humid years. In mediveal time there had been a longer cold period. So in this times ergot could spread widely in the crop. The infested bread was given to poor people or was eaten. So many people tripped out like on LSD.
It is proved that the times where it was ideal for ergot were also the high times for witch burning...
Last accident with LSD was at a factory in France in the 60s. The flour for the fabric\'s cantina breads was infested. After 2 days the people went mad, hurting eachother or themselves.
So even if its a \"natural\" drug, DONT MESS WITH LSD!
Well another story on drugs in armies:
Seen a documentary about US jetpilots. They said that most of them had to subscribe to a medical program which was in fact the use of uppers and downers during combat missions. Don\'t know if the program is still running or if the documentary was not false (at least it looked convincing).
Friar
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Drugy Spiders had to link it, lol it\'s great enjoy.
I crack up everytime I see that lsd on brit soldiers clip I love the radio guy who kept goin round a tree and the soldier who climbed the tree to feed the birds
I crack up everytime I see that lsd on brit soldiers clip I love the radio guy who kept goin round a tree and the soldier who climbed the tree to feed the birds
freakinacage
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seen that many times before but it still cracks me up. was actually talking about it at the w/e. creepy!
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roflmao!
Shawn R. L.
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Have heard that acid is basically self induced schizophrenia.
I\'ve done psychedelics and they are no toy. Find another way to have fun.
Bengoodall
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Having freaked out on, just before I had a complete breakdown Ive gotta go with its not all that good for you.
I guess it depends on the person though, some people can take it and be ok.
I guess it depends on the person though, some people can take it and be ok.
squig hunter
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Link doesen\'t work for me, may well be my screwey net connection tho\'
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I\'ll agree a girlfriend and I back when I was younger and dumber did alot of chemical experimentation from Pot thru shrooms, acid, mescaline, extasy and we were all good but ruffly around about the 50th trip she hit a bad spot and had it very ruff. It ended our time together but thankfully she was able to pull it together and get her life back. Unfortunatly I took it very hard and took it worse then she did, blamming myself for it since I was the one that put the tabs on her tongue, I went on a self destructive binge doing about 200 hits over 3 months trying to drive myself mad, but in the end my tolerance luckily outpaced me and I was at 10 hits without much effect (other then sitting beside a river for 8 hours without moving, freaked out some fishermen) after that I was lucky enough to have a good friend grab me and get some sense into my head. Took me the better part of 2 years to get my head back, I was so scattered my mind was quite literally a blank page and I just lived on autopilot. Thankfully 3 years were all I lost to drugs and have now been clean of psychidelics for 8 years and herb and booze for 3, next up is just kicking ciggies. But drugs are a serious and dangerous thing. Only reason I\'m so apt to spill all this is maybe some young fella out there may be kept from repeating my mistakes. No matter what your thinkin they just ain\'t worth it.
I really don\'t see the appeal in acting like a complete lackwit! I\'ve tried a few different drugs, and while I felt good while under the influence of the drug, I felt very empty and hollow afterwards. Normally, when you feel good about something it is directly linked to something tangible and when you look back at it you can in a way re-live the experience (although, of course, not with the same effect). When you look back at what happened when you were being high on a drug nothing makes sense to you. The happiness you felt during the time has no meaning and no value. That\'s my view of the whole thing! I tried because I wanted to know first hand what it was about, and now when I do I can honestly say no to it! I simply don\'t want any of it in my system.
I\'m talking hard drugs here... alcohol is a different matter to me (although, of course, it is a drug as well and should be used with care).
But, the video clip was quite funny! Especially with the voice over describing the test in a very objective manner.
I\'m talking hard drugs here... alcohol is a different matter to me (although, of course, it is a drug as well and should be used with care).
But, the video clip was quite funny!
Especially with the voice over describing the test in a very objective manner.funnymouth
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well said, all, leave drugs to experienced users. lol
seriously though , i believe (as does my wife, an aspiring pharmacist) that most drugs are overused, including prescriptions.
i\'ve done drugs in the past <goad: also>, and had experiences i wouldn\'t trade for anything, but drug abuse is a serious problem with harsh consequences, physically, mentally, and socially.
i do think, though, that all drugs may have a use, and that DRs should be able to prescribe them at their discretion, in a manner compliant with the hippocratic oath, and medical statutes.
edit: very funny video btw.
seriously though , i believe (as does my wife, an aspiring pharmacist) that most drugs are overused, including prescriptions.
i\'ve done drugs in the past <goad: also>, and had experiences i wouldn\'t trade for anything, but drug abuse is a serious problem with harsh consequences, physically, mentally, and socially.
i do think, though, that all drugs may have a use, and that DRs should be able to prescribe them at their discretion, in a manner compliant with the hippocratic oath, and medical statutes.
edit: very funny video btw.
lol its a wonder they didnt shoot each other
I must say though i\'ve done LSD as well, and for the kids on here, if you want to f u c k your life up, with no way back, i.e. you will be permanently damaged, go for it. Once you open the distorted pathways in your mind, they NEVER close.
Our bodies have the best natural drug inside them, use that, by doing sports, or martial arts, or taoist alchemy now that I\'ve had loads of experience with too and can thoroughly recommend.
I must say though i\'ve done LSD as well, and for the kids on here, if you want to f u c k your life up, with no way back, i.e. you will be permanently damaged, go for it. Once you open the distorted pathways in your mind, they NEVER close.
Our bodies have the best natural drug inside them, use that, by doing sports, or martial arts, or taoist alchemy
now that I\'ve had loads of experience with too and can thoroughly recommend.I agree with the comments on not messing with LSD. It scrambles your brain for a long long time. I only tried it a couple of times and lying on the floor waiting for a mouse with denim overalls and glasses to come out of his hole was a bit too much for me....or was it standing in the shower staring at the grout between the tiles and talking to a tub of cottage cheese that was the catalyst for me deciding no more?
I too have played with LSD... we made a batch at school... All the advice in the world coming from those who have tried it just seems a little weird.
Maybe because my experience was very social and not stuck in a dorm room on my own I have a more positive outlook.
Drugs are like the worlds best sex with the side effect that your dick may suddenly drop off after. You are playing with fire, no doubt and like sex that isn\'t to try and make babies, it serves absolutely no function other than to offer stimulation and release funny chemicals in to our brains.
If I told someone I just had the worlds best sex and I got away with my dick not falling off, that\'s going to sound a bit good isn\'t it... I might warn people against it sure - be all responsible (coz those with a drug history MUST be responsible lol ). But the truth is, I’m still warning folk off the worlds best sex! come on!
I\'m all for promoting free will, I did it, while I wouldn\'t again, it\'s an experience I have in life that I’m sort of glad I have.
Potential future drug experimenters, do what you like but don\'t be ignorant of the effects, likely outcomes and future actions of your peers and family.
My parents found out what I did and I expected them to reprimand me with extreme indiscretion and they looked at me and said \"Joe - we lived through the sixties! You think any of this shocks us?\".
I did feel a little naive.
As an aside :drunk: is fairly addictive and just as mind altering.
Maybe because my experience was very social and not stuck in a dorm room on my own I have a more positive outlook.
Drugs are like the worlds best sex with the side effect that your dick may suddenly drop off after. You are playing with fire, no doubt and like sex that isn\'t to try and make babies, it serves absolutely no function other than to offer stimulation and release funny chemicals in to our brains.
If I told someone I just had the worlds best sex and I got away with my dick not falling off, that\'s going to sound a bit good isn\'t it... I might warn people against it sure - be all responsible (coz those with a drug history MUST be responsible lol ). But the truth is, I’m still warning folk off the worlds best sex! come on!
I\'m all for promoting free will, I did it, while I wouldn\'t again, it\'s an experience I have in life that I’m sort of glad I have.
Potential future drug experimenters, do what you like but don\'t be ignorant of the effects, likely outcomes and future actions of your peers and family.
My parents found out what I did and I expected them to reprimand me with extreme indiscretion and they looked at me and said \"Joe - we lived through the sixties! You think any of this shocks us?\".
I did feel a little naive.
As an aside :drunk: is fairly addictive and just as mind altering.
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Thunderhawker
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[size=-2]That was deep...[/size]
Just realized what this thread is about. Although I respect people\'s right to make their own decisions about potentially risky behavior, illicit drugs can be very dangerous, with lifelong consequences sometimes from single use.
Be careful.
Here is an example of what I am talking about under the Wikipedia entry for MPTP:
\"The neurotoxicity of MPTP was hinted at in 1976 after Barry Kidston, a 23-year-old chemistry graduate student in Maryland, synthesized MPPP incorrectly and injected the result. It was contaminated with MPTP, and within three days he began exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson\'s disease. The National Institute of Mental Health found traces of MPTP and other meperidine analogues in his lab. They tested the substances on rats, but due to rodents\' tolerance for this type of neurotoxin nothing was observed. Kidston\'s parkinsonism was successfully treated with Levo-dopa but he died 18 months later from a cocaine overdose. Upon autopsy, destruction of dopamine-neurons in the substantia nigra was discovered.[2]
In 1982, seven people in Santa Clara County, California were diagnosed with Parkinsonism after using MPPP contaminated with MPTP. The neurologist J. William Langston in collaboration with NIH tracked down MPTP as the cause, researched its effects on primates, and was eventually able to successfully treat motor symptoms of three of the seven patients with neural grafts of fetal stem cells from aborted human fetuses in collaboration with neuroscientists from Lund University Hospital in Sweden. This experience was documented in a book he authored, The Case of the Frozen Addicts (ISBN 0-679-42465-2), about his quest for a cure, which was later featured in two NOVA productions by PBS.\"
Be careful.
Here is an example of what I am talking about under the Wikipedia entry for MPTP:
\"The neurotoxicity of MPTP was hinted at in 1976 after Barry Kidston, a 23-year-old chemistry graduate student in Maryland, synthesized MPPP incorrectly and injected the result. It was contaminated with MPTP, and within three days he began exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson\'s disease. The National Institute of Mental Health found traces of MPTP and other meperidine analogues in his lab. They tested the substances on rats, but due to rodents\' tolerance for this type of neurotoxin nothing was observed. Kidston\'s parkinsonism was successfully treated with Levo-dopa but he died 18 months later from a cocaine overdose. Upon autopsy, destruction of dopamine-neurons in the substantia nigra was discovered.[2]
In 1982, seven people in Santa Clara County, California were diagnosed with Parkinsonism after using MPPP contaminated with MPTP. The neurologist J. William Langston in collaboration with NIH tracked down MPTP as the cause, researched its effects on primates, and was eventually able to successfully treat motor symptoms of three of the seven patients with neural grafts of fetal stem cells from aborted human fetuses in collaboration with neuroscientists from Lund University Hospital in Sweden. This experience was documented in a book he authored, The Case of the Frozen Addicts (ISBN 0-679-42465-2), about his quest for a cure, which was later featured in two NOVA productions by PBS.\"
