Mohamed the Bear

matty1001

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No worries, he\'s doing well and looking for a safe home lol

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330193980849#description

Some of the comments and questions are fantastic. lol

All the prophets are going to charity.
 

The Artisan

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I\'m having a lousy Saturday afternoon. I needed the laugh. Thanks Matty.

I hope no one goes all Jihad on my ass for laughing at this. lol
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
It\'d be funny if the story behind it wasn\'t so serious.

In case you don\'t know, a British teacher working in the Sudan let her class name a teddy bear that each would take home each week as a class exercise. The kids named it Mohamed, after one of the kids in the class.

The militants found out and want the teacher executed for insulting Muslims. She got 15 days in jail and deportation. They were thinking she might get 40 lashes.
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Originally posted by steelcult
Hmm - just what was needed - poke more fun at the fanatics.

It\'s fun to watch them get wound up, idn\'t?

Well, I\'m off to draw some Islamic-rage-boy cartoons of him dressed up in a Piglet costume being punished by a very angry Kanga.
 

Bill

New member
Like that guy on Have I Got News For You last night said - what a rubbish plot that would be! lol
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
Originally posted by PegaZus
Originally posted by steelcult
Hmm - just what was needed - poke more fun at the fanatics.

It\'s fun to watch them get wound up, idn\'t?
aye!

deportation is not much of a punishment from a country like that - sounds more like the ultimate prize! standing there waving their sword at the cameras, shows what a bunch of vicious, hypocritical bastards some of them are

what annoys me is that she simply allowed the kids to name it. she didn\'t pick it herself. if anything the parents should be punished for not informing their own children that this is an insult to islam
 

mud duck

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\"But Mommy, isn\'t that my name?\"
Mohamed is a pretty popular name, thisn\'t it? What\'s the FRAKING problem?
Oh wait... The teacher is a woman, that that that has an education! Who cares about a stuffed toy?
Got to love religion sometimes:(:(
 

Sand Rat

New member
Originally posted by mud duck
\"But Mommy, isn\'t that my name?\"
Mohamed is a pretty popular name, thisn\'t it? What\'s the FRAKING problem?
Oh wait... The teacher is a woman, that that that has an education! Who cares about a stuffed toy?
Got to love religion sometimes:(:(

The fraking problem is naming a human after the Prophet shows honor - naming anything else after the Prophet does not.

And I\'m sorry, but did the teacher not take a moment to step back and say \"Wow the fanatics got upset over a few line drawings, perhaps they will get upset over naming a stuffed animal also?\" Its real easy for us to say how silly this is to us as dissaffected post nationalist Westerners - but to a population that is raised to honor the Prophet, its not silly, its deadly serious.
 

darthfoley

Active member
That\'s rather an apologist statement.

If their culture is what causes them to act like this, that\'s all the more reason to condemn that culture.
 

Sand Rat

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Realist perhaps but not apologist - you don\'t solve issues between cultural groups by condemnation (look at how well the condemnation of Southern Culture has done here in the states - or the Hip Hop culture, hippie culture or any other culture group) - that is part of the problem with this issue - the hard liners in the Muslim world want to condemn the Westerners for their behavior rather than look beyond the narrow confines of their own cultural upbringing and see the other point of view. Simply saying we must condemn others for their point of view rather than try to understand why they behave the way they do and try to point out the areas where we have common ground leads to further issues, not solutions to the problem.
 

No Such Agency

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Originally posted by steelcult
The fraking problem is naming a human after the Prophet shows honor - naming anything else after the Prophet does not.

And I\'m sorry, but did the teacher not take a moment to step back and say \"Wow the fanatics got upset over a few line drawings, perhaps they will get upset over naming a stuffed animal also?\" Its real easy for us to say how silly this is to us as dissaffected post nationalist Westerners - but to a population that is raised to honor the Prophet, its not silly, its deadly serious.
In fairness, many male pupils of hers are certainly named Mohammed, and obviously none of them warned her about the implications. You can\'t expect children and non-members to understand the nuances of a religion. Especially since there is obviously a large number of people just itching to be \"offended\" by just about anything (aka take out their anger on a convenient target).

A lot of people try to say \"Islam isn\'t any worse than any other religion\". In a way they are correct - progressives in all religions find interpretations that jive with modern concepts of freedom and human rights. However, like it or not, the world contains MANY Muslims whose education is minimal to nonexistent, who know nothing about the world beyond their town/region/country, and who have been pumped up by manipulative clerics. These are the people who wave machetes and call for executions any time they think their faith has been insulted. Why? Because it\'s all they have.

Look how the ultra-orthodox Jews and the radical Hindus react to things - it\'s not much different. It wasn\'t that long ago that the Ku Klux Klan claimed to be a Christian organization, all its members went to church on Sunday where in many cases they heard sermons justifying their prejudice.
 

Sand Rat

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Originally posted by No Such Agency

In fairness, many male pupils of hers are certainly named Mohammed, and obviously none of them warned her about the implications. You can\'t expect children and non-members to understand the nuances of a religion. Especially since there is obviously a large number of people just itching to be \"offended\" by just about anything (aka take out their anger on a convenient target).

Her students - no I would not expect them to know the difference at a young age and from obviously liberal backgrounds (or they would be in an Islamic school).

The teacher on the other hand I would expect to do some basic research about where she was going and how not to horribly offend those around her. But there is a strain of thought in the West that says everyone is basically the same and I can do what I would do at home in a foreign land and not have to worry about the consequences. Actually strike that - because in England she would have had 3 different diversity groups tell her she couldn\'t name the bear Mohammed long before she got to that point - and they would have told her why.
 

darthfoley

Active member
Originally posted by steelcult
Realist perhaps but not apologist - you don\'t solve issues between cultural groups by condemnation (look at how well the condemnation of Southern Culture has done here in the states - or the Hip Hop culture, hippie culture or any other culture group) - that is part of the problem with this issue - the hard liners in the Muslim world want to condemn the Westerners for their behavior rather than look beyond the narrow confines of their own cultural upbringing and see the other point of view. Simply saying we must condemn others for their point of view rather than try to understand why they behave the way they do and try to point out the areas where we have common ground leads to further issues, not solutions to the problem.

No, it\'s apologist, in two ways. \'They can\'t help it, they were just raised that way\'. Every person is responsible for their own actions. Saying otherwise is apologizing for their ass-hattery.

Second, saying that Muslim culture is just \'that way\' is apologizing for the perpetuation of this type of mentality. There is no \'hard-liner\' group agitating behind the scenes. This type of mob mentality and violence is the norm - the majority. Islam, despite what people say, is not a religion of peace, never has been, and never will be.
 

Swordwind

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Originally posted by steelcult
And I\'m sorry, but did the teacher not take a moment to step back and say \"Wow the fanatics got upset over a few line drawings, perhaps they will get upset over naming a stuffed animal also?\"

Is it so wrong to assume that naming a childrens toy after a member of the class in a vote to teach children about democratic elections wont cause people to demand you have your head cut off and be whipped 40 times? There of course being a difference between an arbitrary name for a toy and a drawing depicting Mohammed as a suicide bomber amongst other things.
 
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