Movie \"Trailer\" for ReaperCon 2008

New Rule: Miniature conventions must have \"trailers\" like movies.

I\'ll go first: Here\'s a fun \"trailer\" I made for the ReaperCon 2008 convention. They\'ve always got world class talent on hand to teach. This year their college of instructors includes Jeremie Bonamant Teboul.

Turn UP the volume. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWwX88ToQv4


This is my 2nd video I\'ve ever made, and I only just opened the software package this week. ...So Stephen Spielberg\'s job is probably still safe. :)
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wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
:beer: I’m impressed, the only thing is I wish the credits scrolled slower and were clearer to read, for us eyeball challenged.
 
Originally posted by wiccanpony
:beer: I’m impressed, the only thing is I wish the credits scrolled slower and were clearer to read, for us eyeball challenged.

Thanks. All critiquing is welcome.

You can set the You Tube play back setting to \"watch in high quality\" and that improves sharpness noticably.

However, I did put this together last night in the remaining 4 hours I had left to spare before needing to go to bed (at 2) so I could catch my flight to Texas for ReaperCon this morning. .....so I\'m noticing a number of areas as well.......

Okay: Next video, slower credits.

:)
 

Roger Bunting

New member
Ooh, that elephant is in my favourites list. I hadn\'t seen and WIP shots before. The video seems well put together, although I didn\'t have the sound on, as not to disturb anyone else.
 

Roger Bunting

New member
I watched it again with the music. You\'ve edited it to the music quite well.

@WG Didn\'t the video give you an idea as to who sculpted the elephant?
 

MathewBaich

New member
Painter and Sculptor is Jeremie Bounamont. one of my all time favorite artists. Nice video! That was the first time I\'ve ever seen WIP pictures of that piece.
 

mud duck

New member
QoC. this is honest critique in which I hope to help you grow in the realm of video editing. Please don\'t take anything that I say as a knock, as that is not the spirit that it is given.
critique
1. What was the subject of this video? Reeper Con, the model, or the modeler? The subject as stated by the title is Reeper Con, but the content had little actual information on the Con itself. More information is needed. Focus on other events that are happening at the Con. Gaming, letures, food, family, fun etc. Make me want to spend my time and money on the whole thing and not just one small (very nicely done) part. Who\'s going to spend the time and money just to see one mini when they can see it online? Make me want to experanice to whole Con and not just a part of it.
2. There\'s a couple of spots where all I\'m seeing is a black screen. BAD BAD BAD! Show more shots of the model. Stretch out some of the shots so the viewer can sook in all the details.
3. A couple of times you had shots that we on screen for just a frame or two, again bad editing. Give the viewer time to see whats going on. Remeber your frame rate, which I\'m guessing is 12 frames per second, so don\'t show any stills for less that that (more is better IMHO).
4. Love the music, but don\'t let that control the lenght of your video! Music is very editable. We don\'t have to hear the choiris three times everytime.
5. If the subject of this video was changed to the model, with a bit more about the artist, I think that you hit the nail squarely on the head. The \'how it was made\' was nicely documented, more shots would have been nice (painting, planning, the conversion of the different parts) but I\'m guessing again that you didn\'t have control of those, so what are you going to do? Plus, did this model win any awards? Was the Slayer Sword an award for this piece? What was the bit with the sword all about (yes, I know. But does the rest of the adience?)
 

Helltown

New member
Very well executed, the video gave me a little more info on Jeremie. :)


I think the video was more of an homage to Jeremie than a trailer for ReaperCon. When you consider the full roster of painters and sculptors teaching this coming weekend the counts for Daemons and Slayer swords climbs upwards a bit. Like the Queen, I\'ll be departing for Texas soon for four days of painting, gaming, and classes. Hopefully, I\'ll be able to get a mini finished in time to enter in the painting contest, but I\'m not holding my breath at this point.
 
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@ mud duck (apparently the resident wet blanket and kill joy): Wow. To say you totally missed the points of the video and the boat in general sums up my response to your amazing \"critique.\" When I said critiques were welcome, I truly assumed that it would be universally understood that the phrase \"common sense\" would precede such comments.

Originally posted by mud duck:
QoC. this is honest critique in which I hope to help you grow in the realm of video editing. Please don\'t take anything that I say as a knock, as that is not the spirit that it is given.


Okay, in reply, this is my honest critique in which I hope to help you grow as a critic in the realm of how to offer ***constructive*** criticism of other peoples\' efforts, especially efforts a first timers and amateurs. Please don\'t take anything that I say as a \"knock\", as I am claiming that is not the spirit that it is given even though I obviously make a point of phrasing my remarks that way.

critique
1. What was the subject of this video?


See Helltown\'s response above. Also go back and watch the first minute of the trailer. Read the title of the trailer again.

Reeper Con, the model, or the modeler?

Yes.

Also, it\'s \"Reaper\" not \"Reeper\". If you are going to be a critic at the level of looking for perfection in even the most casual of presentations, spell check your reviews.

The subject as stated by the title is Reeper Con, but the content had little actual information on the Con itself.

So what?

More information is needed.

No. That is not what a \"trailer\" is and also was not this director\'s vision. You missed the point(s).

Focus on other events that are happening at the Con. Gaming, letures, food, family, fun etc. Make me want to spend my time and money on the whole thing and not just one small (very nicely done) part.

The \"other\" happenings at the Con were not the subject of the trailer or my \"focus\".

Also, they do not feature \"lectures\" (or \"letures\"). They feature painting and sculpting \"classes.\" Being able to attend a class with a world class sculptor or painter is, in fact, the \"small\" part that draws scores of attendees from around the country. Not the \"food\" or gaming (which they can do at the local game store).

Who\'s going to spend the time and money just to see one mini when they can see it online?

The mini is not at Reaper Con and the trailer did not state it was. You are attempting to critique a trailer about an event you apparently know little about. \"Bad. Bad. Bad.\" That\'s like someone critiquing a hunter jumper equestrian show who may \"like horses\" but has never been to such an event nor knows the sport.

The opening titles said that \"the Father\" of the Grallapoussah was coming to ReaperCon. Trailer showcases a single artist from the college of attending artists. That was ***the point*** of the trailer. If you review the trailer for the \"point\" (instead of the production errors in something obviously an amateur film, not a professional production), you may pick up on that.

Make me want to experanice to whole Con and not just a part of it.

\"experience\" (not \"experanice\")

2. There\'s a couple of spots where all I\'m seeing is a black screen. BAD BAD BAD!

Oh for pity\'s sake. That was intentional, obviously.

Show more shots of the model.

Says who? You go make a trailer, post it, and do your own vision.

Stretch out some of the shots so the viewer can sook in all the details.

The shots were never intended to be \"stretched\" out, nor did I intend to give the viewer an opportunity to study shots at length. They are short bursts, intentionally timed to match the punctuation of the soundtrack. Dwelling on frames at length would have required a different sound track, a different mood to be conveyed, and a different vision. You confuse a \"trailer\" with a slide show. I posted a slide show of painted minis set to music elsewhere on You Tube if you are looking for one of those.

\"soak\" not \"sook\"

3. A couple of times you had shots that we on screen for just a frame or two, ,

yes. Four different shots, each lasting only two frames each in length, to be exact....

again bad editing.

... LOL. I\'ll pass that opinion on to all the actual professional music videos and motion picture directors who have used that technique.

Give the viewer time to see whats going on. Remeber your frame rate, which I\'m guessing is 12 frames per second, so don\'t show any stills for less that that (more is better IMHO).

It\'s spelled \"remember\", not \"Remeber.\"

The point of the rapid frame sequencing (colloquially called \"frame tumbling\" by some, but I don\'t know the professional term) is to NOT give the viewer time to see what\'s going on. Only to catch impressions, blurs of colors and images. It\'s used in commercials occasionally.

Where did you get your film degree again ?

4. Love the music, but don\'t let that control the lenght of your video! Music is very editable. We don\'t have to hear the choiris three times everytime.

\"length\"
\"chorus\"
\"every time\"
\"easily edited\"

The trailer is designed in the format of a music video. The song was specifically chosen because its repetitive trampling chorus resembles elephants trampling. Why would I deface the integrity of the artists\' song if my vision was to use the full song?

5. If the subject of this video was changed to the model, with a bit more about the artist, I think that you hit the nail squarely on the head. The \'how it was made\' was nicely documented, more shots would have been nice (painting, planning, the conversion of the different parts) but I\'m guessing again that you didn\'t have control of those, so what are you going to do? Plus, did this model win any awards? Was the Slayer Sword an award for this piece? What was the bit with the sword all about (yes, I know. But does the rest of the adience?)

What are you? One of those people who stop by the side of the road, pay a quarter for a kid\'s lemonade, and then proceed to tell them everything they are doing commercially wrong because it doesn\'t resemble the $3.95 version they can get at a professional restaurant?

This is simply nothing more than an ***amateur*** video made in the course of roughly 4 hours, based on images available to me. I was not present when the miniature was sculpted. I\'m just a collector who saw it after it was created, loved it, and acquired it at that point for my collection. (I\'m the woman in the shot with Jeremie towards the end of the video to whom he\'s presenting the elephant.) I didn\'t plan to shoot a trailer at the time he made it, I didn\'t know he was making it then, so I obviously only have access to existing shot or shots I\'ve since taken.

Before this week, I\'d never made so much as even a power point presentation. Earlier in the week, I put together a 5 minute slide show of pictures of pretty minis to music and posted in on You Tube. Some friends saw it, said nice things. (despite the fact it\'s not a professional presentation either.) So, on a whim, the night before I was to fly down here to Texas (to ReaperCon), I bought a better video editing software package and hastily assembled what was/is only the 2nd video I\'ve ever made. Most the time was spent getting the screen shots synchronized with the beat of the music (which reminded me of elephants stomping).

My intended viewer does not need to be told who Jeremie is--they know. Or what a slayer sword is -- they know.

Also, you are confusing a trailer with a documentary. The goal of a trailer is to provide a sliver of information--not the whole story or a full explanation.

The points of this particular trailer, since you missed it entirely was:

(1) it was a fun AMATEUR lark to prepare
(2) to spotlight and honor one (of several) of the artists coming to ReaperCon.

I have no present intention to quit my day job to become a film editor.

...and the word is \"Audience\"

:evil:
 

mud duck

New member
Okay, in reply, this is my honest critique in which I hope to help you grow as a critic in the realm of how to offer ***constructive*** criticism of other peoples\' efforts, especially efforts a first timers and amateurs. Please don\'t take anything that I say as a \"knock\", as I am claiming that is not the spirit that it is given even though I obviously make a point of phrasing my remarks that way. Of course not. My criticism/critiques have always taken this style. I would like to believe that it is in this way of giving information straight without adding a lot of extra BS. Unfortunately in the realm of the net, the context doesn\'t come across. And yes, I can mess up the Queens English (and a couple of other one for that matter) with the best of them. That and I\'m working on IE and not the Molliza that I\'m accustom to. It doesn\'t tell me that I\'m screwing up and here I\'m trying to express myself with the written langue, a skill that I\'m \'uncomfortable\' with. So please excuse my grammar and spelling.


critique
1. What was the subject of this video?


See Helltown\'s response above. Also go back and watch the first minute of the trailer. Read the title of the trailer again.

Reeper Con, the model, or the modeler?

Yes.

Also, it\'s \"Reaper\" not \"Reeper\". If you are going to be a critic at the level of looking for perfection in even the most casual of presentations, spell check your reviews.

The subject as stated by the title is Reeper Con, but the content had little actual information on the Con itself.

So what? Because it would be like having a trailer for the Iron Man and having 90% of the shots showing the Hulk smashing things other then Iron Man. I\'m suggesting that the title may need to be changed

More information is needed.

No. That is not what a \"trailer\" is and also was not this director\'s vision. You missed the point(s).

Focus on other events that are happening at the Con. Gaming, features, food, family, fun etc. Make me want to spend my time and money on the whole thing and not just one small (very nicely done) part.

The \"other\" happenings at the Con were not the subject of the trailer or my \"focus\".

Also, they do not feature \"lectures\" (or \"lectures\"). They feature painting and sculpting \"classes.\" See! I\'ve never been to one! I don\'t know that! Had I been looking for information on the subject and your video came up (again the title) I would have been wanting more basic information. Being able to attend a class with a world class sculptor or painter is, in fact, the \"small\" part that draws scores of attendees from around the country. Not the \"food\" or gaming (which they can do at the local game store).

Who\'s going to spend the time and money just to see one mini when they can see it online?

The mini is not at Reaper Con and the trailer did not state it was. But the focus of this video is the model and it\'s been linked to Reaper Con by this video. You are attempting to critique a trailer about an event you apparently know little about. \"Bad. Bad. Bad.\" Yes your right, that was foolishly bad on my part, for that I apologize. A thousand pardons. It just strikes me as being amiheris, out of place, and not of the quality of the rest of your piece. That\'s like someone critiquing a hunter jumper equestrian show who may \"like horses\" but has never been to such an event nor knows the sport.

The opening titles said that \"the Father\" of the Grallapoussah was coming to ReaperCon. Is that the name of the model? Trailer showcases a single artist from the college of attending artists. That was ***the point*** of the trailer. Then maybe show some of his other pieces. Prove to me that this guy is worth the time and money to go see. That his work is of a level that qualifies him to be there. Hell I\'ve made a <cough> masterpiece or had a groundbreaking idea once or twice, but that doesn\'t qualify me to be on any sort of panel. One day maybe =) If you review the trailer for the \"point\" (instead of the production errors in something obviously an amateur film, not a professional production), you may pick up on that. Sorry I read it as still having three points, but then again that\'s just me.

Make me want to experience to whole Con and not just a part of it.

\"experience\" (not \"experanice\")

2. There\'s a couple of spots where all I\'m seeing is a black screen. BAD BAD BAD!

Oh for pity\'s sake. That was intentional, obviously. No, I disagree. It looks amateurish. It make it look like you move something on the time line, forgot about it and just didn\'t care. It adds nothing to the piece.

Show more shots of the model.

Says who? You go make a trailer, post it, and do your own vision.

Stretch out some of the shots so the viewer can sook in all the details.

The shots were never intended to be \"stretched\" out, nor did I intend to give the viewer an opportunity to study shots at length. Again I\'m reading the subject of this piece is the model. They are short bursts, intentionally timed to match the punctuation of the soundtrack. Dwelling on frames at length would have required a different sound track, a different mood to be conveyed, and a different vision. Ok, I\'ll look at it again. Maybe I just not \'seeing\' it. You confuse a \"trailer\" with a slide show. I read this piece as a slide show of the constrution of the model, with some information on Reaper Con I posted a slide show of painted minis set to music elsewhere on You Tube if you are looking for one of those.

\"soak\" not \"sook\"

3. A couple of times you had shots that we on screen for just a frame or two, ,

yes. Four different shots, each lasting only two frames each in length, to be exact....

again bad editing.

... LOL. I\'ll pass that opinion on to all the actual professional music videos and motion picture directors who have used that technique.
Two frames is still abit quick. 2/12\'s of a second doesn\'t show anything but a riot of color without form. A half a second I think would be closer to what I believe that your looking for.
Give the viewer time to see whats going on. Remember your frame rate, which I\'m guessing is 12 frames per second, so don\'t show any stills for less that that (more is better IMHO).

It\'s spelled \"remember\", not \"Remeber.\"

The point of the rapid frame sequencing (colloquially called \"frame tumbling\" by some, but I don\'t know the professional term) is to NOT give the viewer time to see what\'s going on. Only to catch impressions, blurs of colors and images. It\'s used in commercials occasionally.

Where did you get your film degree again ?
BS Digital Arts and Design, AAS Computer Animation, ASS Multimedia. Academy College Bloomington, MN
Not quite a film degree, but hey I work with what I\'ve got. =)


4. Love the music, but don\'t let that control the length of your video! Music is very editable. We don\'t have to hear the choiris three times everytime.

\"length\"
\"chorus\"
\"every time\"
\"easily edited\"

The trailer is designed in the format of a music video. The song was specifically chosen because its repetitive trampling chorus resembles elephants trampling. Why would I deface the integrity of the artists\' song if my vision was to use the full song?
I thought that was because of the blank frames. I think that my problem is that I\'m trying to wrap my head around the idea of a 4 minute trailer/music video. Sounds like you have a dozen ideas running around and your mashing them into one project.
5. If the subject of this video was changed to the model, with a bit more about the artist, I think that you hit the nail squarely on the head. The \'how it was made\' was nicely documented, more shots would have been nice (painting, planning, the conversion of the different parts) but I\'m guessing again that you didn\'t have control of those, so what are you going to do? Plus, did this model win any awards? Was the Slayer Sword an award for this piece? What was the bit with the sword all about (yes, I know. But does the rest of the audience?)

What are you? One of those people who stop by the side of the road, pay a quarter for a kid\'s lemonade, and then proceed to tell them everything they are doing commercially wrong because it doesn\'t resemble the $3.95 version they can get at a professional restaurant?
Yes. If I think that I can help improve something/someone/some idea, or if I wish to know the reason behind an idea, concept, or design, I do. It\'s a habit that I picked up someplace, and has made a lot of people look at me sideways in public settings.
This is simply nothing more than an ***amateur*** video made in the course of roughly 4 hours, based on images available to me. Not bad. Only your second time using the program? Cool! Which program? I was not present when the miniature was sculpted. I figured that. Hey work with what you\'ve got.I\'m just a collector who saw it after it was created, loved it, and acquired it at that point for my collection. Sweet! I have to admit that you have excellent taste. (I\'m the woman in the shot with Jeremie towards the end of the video to whom he\'s presenting the elephant.) I didn\'t plan to shoot a trailer at the time he made it, I didn\'t know he was making it then, so I obviously only have access to existing shot or shots I\'ve since taken.
Again, I figured as much.
Before this week, I\'d never made so much as even a power point presentation. Earlier in the week, I put together a 5 minute slide show of pictures of pretty minis to music and posted in on You Tube. Some friends saw it, said nice things. (despite the fact it\'s not a professional presentation either.) So, on a whim, the night before I was to fly down here to Texas (to ReaperCon), I bought a better video editing software package and hastily assembled what was/is only the 2nd video I\'ve ever made. Most the time was spent getting the screen shots synchronized with the beat of the music (which reminded me of elephants stomping). Maybe add some elephant sounds in the background to add to feeling. If you\'ve got a audio editing program.

My intended viewer does not need to be told who Jeremie is--they know. Or what a slayer sword is -- they know. Never believe that! Your not controlling the segment of the population that is viewing this piece, so add some information, for us the \'unwashed masses\'. I know the lyrics to hundreds of songs, but on half of they I couldn\'t tell you the title or the artist. Same here, I know of his work, I think that I\'ve seen it before (your website, if memory serves) so I can put a face and work to the name, but reinforcement never hurts.

Also, you are confusing a trailer with a documentary. The goal of a trailer is to provide a sliver of information--not the whole story or a full explanation.

The points of this particular trailer, since you missed it entirely was:

(1) it was a fun AMATEUR lark to prepare
(2) to spotlight and honor one (of several) of the artists coming to ReaperCon.

I have no present intention to quit my day job to become a film editor.

...and the word is \"Audience\"

:evil:
:beer:

Again, I was not trying to knock this work. This is how we did it in school, to help improve each other. A different view of the work, to question decisions, and break the artist focus of the creator. A one track mind is an evil thing to keep.
So please working on this stuff. If this is only your second piece, I wait on pins and needles to see what else you come up with.

Oh, and if you\'d like, please take a look here
www.filetable.com
access code is whitestream
down load and open in IE seem to work best.
 
Shhhhssh ! Grown-ups are speaking. :(

@ Mud duckling: Hmmmph. Okay, perhaps I\'m a little molified (Note, I said \"a little\").

I think I see our disconnect now:

You wrote: ... Not bad. Only your second time using the program? Cool! Which program? ...

Addition to being familiar with the subject matter you are attempting to critique, another \"rule\" about offering to hold oneself out as an effective critic is that you are expected to actually ***complete*** the review of the artwork (book, movie, play, article, etc.) upon which you offer your opinion. You don\'t read the first chapter of a book, close it, and then write a review trashing it for being boring (or whatever). You are not entitled to look at the front side of a mini and then dismiss it as a \"one dimensional expression of art\" by the artist. Nor it is anticipated that one would have the nerve to watch a portion of a video and then presume to criticize the work in its entirety.

If you can\'t hang in there for the entirety, you don\'t get a vote. That\'s the rules.

In asking what software I used, that tells me you did not watch the trailer through to the end. You saw the video go to black screen, heard just the music playing, and shut off the video before it finished. LOL !

Holy cow ! You essentially \"walked out of the theater\" before the credits started or finished rolling, and then you wrote a multi-paragraph comprehensive \"critique\" of the work and posted it for the world to see how much you knew and how little the artist did.

Don\'t bother to go back and watch the whole thing now. It\'s got a whole LOT of black screen that was intentionally put in (not accidental \"bad editing\" like you strangely want to keep insisting). If you couldn\'t stand the 1 second black screen shots, you\'ll hate it the several seconds of black screen towards the end.

Film producers can\'t make people sit in their seats to review their film credits (translation: show a little respect for all the work and people that went into a project), but the directors of the Pirates of the Carri bean franchises found a solution for that ailment. They reward people who will remain in attendance until the ***Completion*** of their artwork. At the end of the POTC credits, patient and respectful viewers get a 60 second piece of bonus footage with another story added. I\'m quite sure they don\'t regard that as \"bad editing\" (no, they didn\'t forget to add it before the credits). It was intentional.

Had you actually viewed the video to the complete end, including the black screen, you would have caught the shot of the elephant being presented, the credits as to the software used, and humorously, the little tongue-in-cheek message I inserted as the final line of the video for folks who would do exactly what you did --- trash something meant in good fun and never offered to my viewers to be taken overly seriously.

The final line of the trailer says:

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Google that for the translation.

I think what I found disrespectful and inappropriate about your \"critique\" was that you did ***not*** offer it in an attempt to be helpful. Your remarks were formatted as \'put downs\' and presented deliberately in a style attempting to come across as more knowledgeable about a subject towards someone\'s work who is a beginner. Your alleged studies in film certainly explain why you felt superior in this regard. But when you offer opinions on subject matter on which you are not knowledgeable (i.e., the substantive content, rather than the technical presentation), one does not come across across as expert just an opinionated person who doesn\'t know the topic.

There is a huge, huge difference between being forthright and frank (not including \"bs\" as you say), and being dismissive and impolite. You can be informative and direct in your suggestions for improvement--without using terms such as \"BAD BAD BAD\" or \"amateurish\" or the like.
You may wish to re-evaluate why people look at you \"funny\" over your critiquing.

In your second email, you sound surprised when I mention (again) it was just my 2nd movie. Did you not read that in the post? If you are going to criticize something, don\'t you need to get your background (that you have control over) straight before you do so?

Also, you missed the analogy I used over your own grammar errors. I write for a living, so am \"comfortable\" in that art. It is easy for me to skewer you and your \"amateurish\" effort to write a art review. You write that you are not comfortable in writing so please just focus on your intent, and I should excuse your grammar errors.

Hello? Is that not the exact same thing I was saying? I am not \"comfortable/experienced\" in film editing, could you kindly focus on the intent rather than my punctuation and production skills that are all of 7 days old?

I patronize a great many artists---all of whom started as \"amateurs\". We certainly don\'t \"help\' beginning miniature painters and \"encourage\" them to remain in the hobby and improve by looking at their first efforts and saying, quote, \"BAD BAD BAD\"

... or when the artist says \"that was intentional on my part and part of my vision to reply to them, and I quote you,

No, I disagree. It looks amateurish. It make it look like you ... just didn\'t care. It adds nothing to the piece.

That is not \"helping\" or \"constructive.\"
That\'s being \"rude\" and encourages no one.

I wrote, \"My intended viewer does not need to be told who Jeremie is--they know. Or what a slayer sword is -- they know.\"

You responded, Never believe that!

I beg your pardon. You may (or may not) know something about film editing, but you know \"squat\" (that\'s a legal term) about promotion. When a person creates an advertisement for golf products, they have a target audience. The target audience has a certain level of base knowledge of the sport. The target audience does not need to be told why a particular metal is desirable in the golf clubs, or why they might want to own a golf glove, or why I have Arnold Palmer hawking my products (and why they should listen to him). Those are what is called \"givens\" in the world of advertising and promotion.

It is certainly presumptuous of you to tell someone \"who\" their target audience is. Excuse me? I believe that is the business and decision of the film director.

The target audience is **not** people who unfamiliar with certain \"givens\" of the product.

My target audience (and I believe that is my decision to determine, not some 3rd party\'s) is people who ALREADY:

1) know what ReaperCon is and offers
2) who Jeremie Bonamant Teboul is
3) why they would want to learn from him
4) read that this was a 2nd attempt of a non-professional posted for fun and should expect quality accordingly

If you have to ask if \"Grallapoussah\" is the name of that piece [good gawd], \"if it won any awards\" [holy cow!], why it might be \"worth the time and money to go\" sit under the tutelage of \"this guy\" [Jeremie Bonamant Teboul, the 6th top ranked artist on CMON], or that the 2nd effort of non-professional film producer who posted something for fun and the video will reflect accordingly, I think it is a pretty safe bet that you are NOT within my target audience.

The fact that you are still suggesting things I could have (or should have) added, or can go back and add, simply underscores that you missed the point which is this was never meant to be commercial production. I have no intention on going back and \"re-editing\" my piece to \"fix\" it to fit someone else\'s vision of what they think it should be to do what they think I meant.

We will have to agree to disagree about what are appropriate expectations to have and what\'s considered socially acceptable to criticize when you buy the 25 cent lemonade at the side of the road, versus the $3.95 glass down at the Red Robin Restaurant.

The Queen says, Learn some manners if you insist on sharing your opinions and critiques. It\'s \"amateurish\" and \"BAD BAD BAD\" to do otherwise. .... It\'s not what you say, but how you say it.

In the meantime: Honi soit qui mal y pense.
 

matty1001

New member
Flipping heck...that took some reading.

The way I see it QoC said any criticism was welcome, Mudduck then mentioned some pretty valid points (of which I agree with, shame on me, and I am pretty much your target market) and now QoC is throwing her toys out of the pram.

If you can\'t take the heat don\'t post things openly asking for criticism. If all you want is your ego stroking then just ask I\'m sure people will oblige, you being a Queen and all.

(And I\'v checked through for spelling mistakes, so you can save yourself the trouble of patronisingly picking it apart word by word.)

Grow up and have a drink! :beer:
 
good one !

...is throwing her toys out of the pram...\"

I love that expression. I have to start using that again.

The drinks are on me this week. I\'m here in Texas for ReaperCon and having a glorious time.

Seriously, folks should consider attending. It\'s awesome teaching available from a huge assortment of talented painting and sculpting folks.

Pssstt. Uou mist teh speling anlgy also. <grin> That\'s okay. \'Cause your \"throwing the toys from the pram\' analogy is pretty good on it\'s own. :)
 
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