My 1st almost 2500 points of space marines Help please

[nero041001]

Hi.

Note: I will be playing various different point armies

This is my first (revised first) army list. They are ultramarines (as you can view in my gallery, more pictures will be going on there when it lets me).

Please could you help and advise me as I have both the rulebook and codex (pictures can be provided for proof, latest versions) and have a very vague understandiing of them, as I am finding it difficult to learn hoe to play. I have had a chat with the bloke in my local hobby store (not a games workshop store, it\'s independent) and he doesnt seem to want to help me very much.

I have posted on other forums and am trying to learn stuff from there too, and thought I\'d broaden my horizens and try here too.



(drop pods or rhinos for some of my troops)?

HQ

1. Commander

Master
- Lightning claw
- bolter
- artificer armour

120 points

1.1 Command Squad (for commander)

Command Squad
1 x marine with plasmagun
- Veteran sergeant
- bolter
- Apothecary
-narthecium and reductor
-bolt pistol & CCW
- Standard Bearer
-company standard
-bolt pistol & CCW
- Company Champion
Combat shield, bolt pistol, power weapon

170 points

(TRANSPORT)

Razorback
Twin linked heavy bolter
-smoke launchers
-dozer blade
-extra armour

83 Points

2. Chief Librarian Tigurius SEE NOTE AT BOTTOM


ELITES

1. Dreadnought

Dreadnought
- Assault Cannon
- Deadnought CCW
- smoke launchers
-vererable
-furious assault/charge

Points 138


2. Veteran Squad

Veteran Squad
- Furious charge skill
- 2x marine with Bolt pistols and CCW
- 1x marine with twin lightning claws
- 1x marine with power weapon and bolt pistol
- Veteran Sergeant
-bolt pistol
-power fist
-master crafted weapon

180 points

3.

TROOPS

1. 9 Man Tactical Squad

- 7 with bolters
- 1 with missle launcher
- Veteran sergeant
- Chain sword and bolt pistol

160 points


2. 6 Man Tactical Squad

- 3 with bolters
- 1 flamer
- 1 laser cannon
- Veteran Sergeant
- storm bolter
131 points

3. 5 Man Scout Squad

5-man scout squad
- 2x bolter scouts
- 2x sniper rifle scouts
- 1x heavy bolter scout

80 points

4. 6 Man Tactical Squad

- 3 with bolters
- 1 missle launcher
- 1 flamer
- veteran sergeant
- power fist
- bolter

137 Points

5. 6 Man Tactical Squad

- 3 with bolters
- 1 flamer
- 1 plasma cannon
- veteran sergeant
- power fist
- bolt pistol

147 Points


6. 6 Man Tactical Squad LTD EDTION VET SERGEANT

- 3 with bolters
- 1 with melta gun
- 1 with heavy bolter
- veteran sergeant
- storm bolter
- power weapon

145 Points

FAST ATTACK

1. 10 Man Assault Squad

10-man assault squad
- 7x bolt pistol & CCW
- 2x plasma pistols & CCW
- Veteran Sergeant
-bolt pistol & CCW

245 points

2. Bike Squad

3-man bike squadron
- Twin-linked bolters
- Veteran sergeant
- Power weapon
- Attack bike
-multi-melta

191 points

3.

HEAVY SUPPORT

1. Predator Annialator

Predator Annihalator
- Sponson heavy bolters
- smoke launchers
- extra armour

133 points

2. Whirlwind MKII

Whirlwind MKII
-extra armour
-smoke launchers
vengeance or castellan missles (decided at game start)

Points 93

3. Landraider Crusader

Landraider Crusader
-smoke launchers
Points 268

TOTAL 2421 I think (without tigurius)

NOTES

Chief Librarian Tigurius

Epistolary
- psychic hood & force weapon
- bolt pistol
- artificer armour
- familiar
- Powers: - Storm of the Emperors wrath
- Veil of time
176 points

Able to replace the plasma gunner from command squad if so desired, Or use Tigurius as second HQ choice



If anyone has any suggestions and or wants to rip my army apart again please feel free to do so (not literly it took me 2 months to get and put together). In fact please do so I am in need of help with my list

cheers

tris

 

[praetorian0_1]

There are tons of good sources to find good lists. You have a couple of my favs. The razorback is a smart move. Whirlwinds are usually a must have too, they make a lot of folks panic- even experienced ones.

Put up some pics when you get them.

 

[nero041001]

praetorian0_1
(QUOTE)
There are tons of good sources to find good lists. You have a couple of my favs. The razorback is a smart move. Whirlwinds are usually a must have too, they make a lot of folks panic- even experienced ones.(QUOTE)

I have one more bike to fit in there too forgot to put that in.

I have found quite a few sources and I also have the 4th ed. rulebook and codex. I find it very difficult to understand them though, which is why I ask advice on the forums.

(QUOTE)Put up some pics when you get them.(QUOTE)

I have put up loads of pics of my whole army in the gallery sort of thing, but they havent appeared yet for some reason. It said somthing about them having to be checked in some way or another first

Cheers

tris

 

[Joshua]

ok my suggestions:
1) if you give your commander a lightning claw, for whatever reason, give him at least a storm bolter so he can charge after fireing and has much more firepower
2) equip your vet sergeant in your command squad
3)get rid of the razorback, the new rules make traosport much worse and not worth their points, esp. the razorback (imho)
4) do not use special chars since they are forbidden in tourneys etc. a regular psyker has nearly the same value and you can equip him (tiguris e.g. lacks a save roll from what i remember)
5) venerable drads are dung if you compare value and points, they cant do anything that a regular dread couldnt plus a smoker für a dread is rather useless, since you may fire every round
6)the combinnation of alscannon and flamer in one tactical squat is not as good as i.e. lascannon and plasma or heavy bolter/flamer
7)i suggest not to equip your sergeants with too expensive wargear since many of them wont ever be in close combat
8)dont buy the vet sergeant option if youre not gonna equip him
9) from what i see your crusader is empty so get rid of your assault squats jumpacks and save points and put them inti the crusader
10) little hint: you may buy the machine spirit for your whirlwind so you can drive 12\" and shoot with the missile launcher whenever you want (but its pretty expensive)

oh and i would suggest to use a vindicater ratehr than the pa since the mortar weapons got tweaked (drive and shoot)

oh and use these new virtues!

just my 2 cents

 

[DanseMacabre]

Total points 2421: that means you are listing all the stuff you have or that are you planning to use this list?
I ask because in tournaments the used points are 1500 and in friendly matches rarely we go over 2000.
My suggestion is to do a list of 1500 points and to use the rest as sideboard against particular opponents/matches.
I\'m not very skilled in w40k but i saw somewhere a tactic with the dread putted on the enemy half with a drop pod to permit fast utilize on the first-second turn.
Also they suggest to give to scouts sniping rifles.
For what i discovered the best choiche for tactical squads is the laser cannon.

 

[Aragorns_mate]

can you post a pic of this force, wouldnt mind seeing how big it looks on the table

sounds pretty huge

 

[Joshua]

drop pot /teleporting troops is effective in maybe 5% of the cases
most of the time they will land deep into the troops of the enemy, shoot with their weapon once and then got scrapped with short range weapons like metas, plasmaguns or lascannons, autocannons etc etc
schocking is n e v e r effective, thats what i learned from 10 years of playing 40k space marines

 

[LavronYor]

Nero, where do you live? Some of the battle reports in White Dwarf may give you an idea, how to use your army. And as far as I know, tournament armies are 1850 points and this should allow you a good mix, although I might advise you to rely on your troops rather than to use too many vehicles or tooled up characters. Marines are still one of the best units in the game. Good luck.