Napoleonic Russians help required

[croi dubh]

Hi all, I've bought some boxes of Perry's Napoleonic Russians and I would like to paint some of them up as marines. If we take the average late war infantry men as having red collars and cuffs, officers and nco's having gold lace surrounding the red, my question is, with the marines they have green collar and cuffs, privates have white lace what colour lace do you use for officers and nco's. I hope somebody will be able to assist me. Thanks a million.

 

[Demihuman]

Hmm, I looked here

http://www.napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Russian_infantry.htm

and couldn't figure it out at a glance. Does look like they have the same shoulder straps and crossbelts as the 31st Jägers and 47th Jägers. I bet if you sent those folks an e-mail they could answer your question.

 

[croi dubh]

Thanks for the link Demihuman, some great stuff here.

 

[Bailey03]

I don't know much about the Russian uniforms, but you might want to try posting your question to this forum:
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/boards.mv?period=nap

I've posted a couple uniform questions there and have gotten helpful responses. Try the Napoleonic Painting Guides section, that should be the place for uniform color questions.

 

[Tercha]

Not really sure what you mean by "lace" "piping" was white other than the drummer the uniforms of the period were very plain for the infantry
Shoulder straps
1st red with "25" in yellow
2nd White with "25" in red
3rd yellow with "25" in red
4th Green with "28" in red
(Uniforms of 1812 - Haythornwaite)
and below:

This will have all your answers http://marksrussianmilitaryhistory.info/V10BAll.htm#3
III. MARINE REGIMENTS.

16 March 1813—When Marine regiments were reassigned to the Department of the Army [Voenno-sukhoputnoe vedomstvo, literally “Department of Military Land Forces”], they had exactly the same uniform and armament, as well as organization, as Musketeer regiments, with the only difference being that their their collars, cuffs, turnbacks on the tails, and coat lining, instead of being red, and their pants, instead of being white, were all dark green with white piping, this piping also being on the cuff flaps (Illus. 1363). Shoulder straps in the 1st Marine Regiment were red with the number 25; in the 2nd - white with the same number; in the 3rd - yellow with the same number; in the 4th - dark green with red piping and the number 28, i.e. in accordance with the numbers of the divisions to which the regiments were assigned. Forage caps were the same as in Grenadier and Infantry regiments but with dark-green bands (Illus. 1364), and officers’ shabracks were also like shabracks in these regiments except they were completely dark green with white piping along the edges (Illus. 1365) (781). Subsequently, all the changes concerning Infantry regiments which were already mentioned above were extended with equal force to Marine regiments (Illus. 1366) (782).

The Caspian Marine Battalion, consisting of four Musketeer companies, was uniformed and armed the same as Marine regiments, with red shoulder straps without any number

 

[croi dubh]

Thanks, Bailey03 for the link and thanks to Tercha, that's exactly the type of information that I'm looking for. It would appear that Musketeer had red collars and cuffs, N.C.O's and Officers had red collars with gold lace or piping around the edges as well as gold piping around the cuffs. Jagers had green collars and cuffs with a thin red edging, N.C.O's and Officers had green collars and cuffs with gold trim and red piping at the top of the gold. Marines had green collar and cuffs with white piping and like the Jagers their N.C.O's and Officers had gold lace only this time edged in white. I think I've got it.