Need information on airbrushing

Equus

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The liquid mask I\'ve used doesn\'t really pull the paint, if you make sure the paint has had a chance to cure. The problem that sometimes occurs is with rough edges after you remove the mask, because of the surface tension of it while it\'s in its liquid form.

Glad I could help. Most of Cody\'s stuff deals with larger scale stuff, but there\'s a great (if terribly not updated) list of the tools that he either uses or has used in the past somewhere in there too.
 

Garyo

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What Equus said... The key is letting it the latex dry clear before you start. I\'ll touch up the edges with a color shaper somtimes if I got a little out of bounds. And last remove the mask as soon as possible. I\'m not sure how long it takes, but if you leave the mask on more than a day or two it can become a permanent part of the model.

Garyo
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
War Griffin, you are one of the few I have ever heard of that actuallly like the aztec. Have you had a chance to use a Paashe VL or a Iwata HP-B?

Second, what is 2.6 bar in PSI?

nevermind, about 37 psi. You could do shirts with it. But would have to thin the createx a bit. I generally shoot shirts between 40 and 60 psi.

Should be a great compressor for model work though, generally, nothing over about 12 psi there.
 

War Griffon

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Airhead, The Aztec was a Xmas present from my soon to be X wife so it is all I have used if I could justify the use of an Iawata or Paashe I might but I don\'t know anyone that owns one to have a try of. Although I have heard that they can be the best I wanted something without having to dismantle it to clean it as onboard a ship the bits could end up anywhere :D

As a rule of thumb 14psi is about 1 bar.
 
what type Garyo

Hey Garyo what type of airbrush did you use for your small minis. I want to airbrush some reaper, ral partha and games workshop figs (and possibly experiemnt with small terrain bits)
 

Einion

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Originally posted by War Griffon
Only a little one if I ever get the skill/chance to use it properly then I might upgrade at a later time. The one I am getting is HERE
If it\'s too late just ignore this but I\'d plump for a better compressor than this if you can and you have the dosh.

Originally posted by airhead
War Griffin, you are one of the few I have ever heard of that actuallly like the aztec.
Add me to the list :)

Fast to change colour, easy to clean (much easier and safer than a typical metal brush), light and comfortable to hold and also far easier to change nozzles.

Einion
 

Einion

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Masking options

Liquid latex
I use this as my primary masking material for irregular shapes/edges (W&N\'s Watercolour Masking Fluid). I have had paint-lifting problems in the past every now and then - one time peeling off large areas of paint so I was not a happy camper as you can imagine - but it was my fault as I\'d messed with the paint recipe a bit.

If you use a good primer, on a clean figure, and your paints are decent quality it\'s not much of a problem but touchups are a necessary part of this method, so you have to get used to it. It is generally a good idea to remove masking fairly soon after you\'re done but I have left latex mask on for a couple of days during an involved spraying job - doing the face after the rest of a bust was painted - and it wasn\'t any different to remove than if it had been only a few hours old. This might very well vary from paint to paint so do experiment for yourself.

I often spray before it has fully hardened (i.e. there are opaque spots where it\'s thicker) which doesn\'t seem to make any difference in my experience. I\'ve even been done with a spray job and still had wet spots here and there when I peel the mask off, in the corner of an eye socket for example or under an arm.

Rough edges are hard to avoid entirely but one trick I\'ve learned is to apply the mask a little over the line you want and then when it\'s dry push the edge back gently to the correct position with whatever tool you\'re comfortable with, if you\'re lucky doing this you get a softer mask line, because the edge becomes raised, which can avoid the issue of a paint \'lip\' completely. I usually use a sculpting tool for doing this as they\'re on the desk anyway but a fingernail, colour shaper, a brush handle or even the side of a needle all work.

Other masking materials
I got some Parafilm M on the advice of Mario Fuentes and it really is special stuff, anyone who has done aircraft or knows someone who does will probably be familiar with it but it\'s well worth trying out for some masking jobs of figures too. This clings without a true adhesive so lifting of any kind is practically non-existent but be warned that it melts if you heat it so you can\'t dry paint using a hairdryer between layers (I learned this the hard way!) I got a full roll (250 feet) from a laboratory supply house, Pollardwater.com, which had the lowest price I could find at the time. By the way, there are other uses for this as it\'s a complete moisture barrier so it\'s handy to have around for things other than masking too which helps it pay for itself.

For hard-edged masking Tamiya masking tape is very good apparently and there are other masking tapes that might be worth experimenting with.

Don\'t ignore simple things like a damp piece of tissue, this can work for all sorts of jobs - aircraft modellers sometimes use this for filling wheel wells or cockpits before spraying. I\'ve started to use Glad Wrap to mask the bulk of a model for spraying because again it has no adhesive and it\'s cheap and easy to apply.

Einion
 

War Griffon

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I did think of going for the next one up but I think that was £200 so I opted for teh sheaper one that I will probably regret later :D well there is always the flog it on ebay later road and get a better one then if I am not happy with it.

That was one of the main reasons for going for the Aztec the pure simplicity of changing pots when you change colour mixes just a quick squirt of cleaner between pots to clear out the old colour :D
 

Equus

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Yep...that\'s probably the stuff War Griffon. Static clingy stuff.

I\'ll second Einion\'s recommendation of Parafilm. I think I actually bought from the same place (Pollardwater), and I think it\'s probably given me a lifetime or more supply of masking material. It stretches out like no one\'s business and is good for slightly curved areas.

I use Mask-Sol liquid masking fluid, and haven\'t seen it pull up paint yet. Granted though, I\'ve only used it for limited areas, and that\'s when I masked something that had a good opaque white (like eyes or something) and I wanted to preserve it after the primer and basecoat. Not many layers of paint there, so it\'s no wonder I haven\'t had much problems.

Of course, I also use blue painter\'s masking tape pretty extensively. I\'ve just taken to sticking it on my arm a few times before applying it to a model to reduce the tack.
 

Einion

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Originally posted by Equus
I\'ll second Einion\'s recommendation of Parafilm. I think I actually bought from the same place (Pollardwater)
Small world!

Originally posted by Equus
It stretches out like no one\'s business and is good for slightly curved areas.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that - you get about seven or eight times the length eventually, after the initial stretch to activate it, as it stretches during application.

Einion
 

Garyo

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@ DTC
It\'s in the Uni\'s description, but I\'m firmly in the Iwata camp. I use an HP-C, I\'ve used just about every brand available and keep comming back to my Iwata every time.:innocent:

Garyo
 
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