darkartminiatures
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I reckon head number four is best for what your doing. Head one looks like he could be a guardsman and head two and three you like they belong on a chaos conversion...thats just my opinion though.
New conversions for 40K and sketches.
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DrEvilmonki
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Nice work though, the quality of those heads makes me wonder why (other than time saved of course) you would bother using the molded one.
Scibor, I\'ve often criticized you about the moldings and the like, a little on here and some more off-line, but I\'m really impressed. For one thing, your sculpts have gotten much better, your designs on the molds are nicer (though I agree that more definition or some blank space for freehand would be nice), and so on. The biggest thing, though, is that you just sculpted those heads. I\'m really impressed by that, and think it\'s really admirable that you\'d just go to your own heads like that. In any case, your quick heads are nice, especially 2 and 4, and if those are fast ones, I bet that ones you took more time on would be excellent.
Dragon Forge Design
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Originally posted by Scibor
I see that pressed GW heads cause as strong emotions that I decide to spend few hours for sculpt few my own heads for my conversions. I do not like do something what could be interprets as crime.
this are my started today heads I know that they are not finished and photo is bad , but I have only few hours.
I hope that now I will do not annoy anybody by pressed GW heads
greetings
Scibor
See now this is what I was talking about, doing it yourself. These are pretty impressive if you just did them in a few hours..nice job.
Einion --> I agree with Your arguments ok?
I pressed that GW heads becouse I think that is the same as purity seals. I was wronk and sorry
I sculpt my own heads, and I think that all is clear now?
About my sketches --> I was atacked at 2 other forums that my sketches are made by filter in photoshop and that I filter it from photo of finished figure .
I use water inkers with soft brush and ordinary pencil.
Please remember that I paint and draw by 5 years of my study and every day in my job I realy do not need computer to draw or paint picture. Please remember also that my parts are pressed befor I start convert it and I know all detils of them. I can even fix basic shape of figure to get better pose and proportion.
this is photo of inkerd and sketch:
I pressed that GW heads becouse I think that is the same as purity seals. I was wronk and sorry
I sculpt my own heads, and I think that all is clear now?
About my sketches --> I was atacked at 2 other forums that my sketches are made by filter in photoshop and that I filter it from photo of finished figure .
I use water inkers with soft brush and ordinary pencil.
Please remember that I paint and draw by 5 years of my study and every day in my job
I realy do not need computer to draw or paint picture. Please remember also that my parts are pressed befor I start convert it and I know all detils of them. I can even fix basic shape of figure to get better pose and proportion.this is photo of inkerd and sketch:
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Erm, yes actually. GW encouraged this and did a photo tutorial of it in White Dwarf.
I honestly don\'t know why you get so much grief Scibor. I think what you do is pretty damn cool. The rate you do it at is even cooler.
The most GW would bother to do in this case would be to send you a shirty email. And I\'d like to know how they could justify encouraging people to make press moulds in White Dwarf, then discourage it in this instance. You are after all making conversions from their bits, and it\'s hardly mass production... Sod them I say!
I think one of the problems is that Scibor seems to think people are picking on him.
I have stated myself that I think the pressed heads is wrong in the eyes of legallity.
The article in White Dwarf was for purity seals and while it is the same technique I reckon they only meant it for personal use and not resale.
I think Scibors stuff is superb and very inspiring and if he starts using those self sculpted heads Im sure he will get a lot more respect from others for doing it.
@Scibor
Have you thought about casting your armour/shields etc in resin and selling them as conversion packs ?
I have stated myself that I think the pressed heads is wrong in the eyes of legallity.
The article in White Dwarf was for purity seals and while it is the same technique I reckon they only meant it for personal use and not resale.
I think Scibors stuff is superb and very inspiring and if he starts using those self sculpted heads Im sure he will get a lot more respect from others for doing it.
@Scibor
Have you thought about casting your armour/shields etc in resin and selling them as conversion packs ?
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About casting shields or shoulderpads - I thought but I am not shure if when I wrote that it is didicated for GW figures I will have no trouble.
I collect and paint tanks models from WWII and many companys make conversions set for models from other companys and all companys think that it is ok, but I do not see any conversion sets for GW products.
Maybe they can prohibit it?
When I make set for terminator with 2 shoulderpads and shield and there will be no protected signs or names but only title that it is product didicated for GW terminator maybe it is legal but I am not shure. I have lot of own figures to cast I am not shure if I should make conversion sets for products from other companys.
greetings
Scibor
About casting shields or shoulderpads - I thought but I am not shure if when I wrote that it is didicated for GW figures I will have no trouble.
I collect and paint tanks models from WWII and many companys make conversions set for models from other companys and all companys think that it is ok, but I do not see any conversion sets for GW products.
Maybe they can prohibit it?
When I make set for terminator with 2 shoulderpads and shield and there will be no protected signs or names but only title that it is product didicated for GW terminator maybe it is legal but I am not shure. I have lot of own figures to cast I am not shure if I should make conversion sets for products from other companys.
greetings
Scibor
Einion
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Might be to do with the starting prices but hey, \"what the market will bear\".Originally posted by Ritual
I too don\'t understand why so many people seem to be picking on Scibor. ??? There are some tendencies within this hobby I definitely don\'t like!!
I\'m sure they\'d try given the chance lol
Einion
Dragon Forge Design
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I think the issue with making conversion kits and sell them is this,
I can make a conversion kit for a Tiger tank because it existed in real life, no one really owns it anymore that I can think of. On the other hand a Space Marine is the design and concept of Games Workshop and they own it, to do something for it specificly will step on their intellectual copyright for that figure.
No if you were to just sell \"shoulder Pads\" and \"shields\" you would be ok in my eyes. Even with the word Templar your going to be ok, as Templars existed in history. Add Iconagraphy that GW has created and your back in trouble again.
Scibor, never thought you drawings were not yours,, infact Im curious what you would charge for concept art for a project I have in mind.
As for people being jealous, people will always be jealous when someone is better than them..its the nature of the beast. When you did something so new and origional like the gothic lettering on the shoulderpads and everyone was asking how you did it and you wouldn\'t say people felt snubbed. Since its been a fact that places like CMON are a place where people are open and share their techniques I think some people felt offended that you wouldnt. What your doing deals with technology and art which some would not think goes together but I have to disagree as when I was in University (a long time ago) I spent a year dealing with studying how technology effects art.
Over all I think what you are doing is cool, and yes Ive sen great improvements with your work in very short order. You have a natural talent for this sort of thing. Seeing you sculpt the set of heads in very short order only leaves me to wonder what you could do if you spent 4-6 hours on just one head.
As for your ebay prices, Glad to see you get them it only inforces the validity that this sort of work deserves to be compensated as so, as being a professional sculptor for almost 15 year, I still battle thouse who want to get high quality work for nothing and get offended when you the creator/artist want to make a honest living off your work.
I can make a conversion kit for a Tiger tank because it existed in real life, no one really owns it anymore that I can think of. On the other hand a Space Marine is the design and concept of Games Workshop and they own it, to do something for it specificly will step on their intellectual copyright for that figure.
No if you were to just sell \"shoulder Pads\" and \"shields\" you would be ok in my eyes. Even with the word Templar your going to be ok, as Templars existed in history. Add Iconagraphy that GW has created and your back in trouble again.
Scibor, never thought you drawings were not yours,, infact Im curious what you would charge for concept art for a project I have in mind.
As for people being jealous, people will always be jealous when someone is better than them..its the nature of the beast. When you did something so new and origional like the gothic lettering on the shoulderpads and everyone was asking how you did it and you wouldn\'t say people felt snubbed. Since its been a fact that places like CMON are a place where people are open and share their techniques I think some people felt offended that you wouldnt. What your doing deals with technology and art which some would not think goes together but I have to disagree as when I was in University (a long time ago) I spent a year dealing with studying how technology effects art.
Over all I think what you are doing is cool, and yes Ive sen great improvements with your work in very short order. You have a natural talent for this sort of thing. Seeing you sculpt the set of heads in very short order only leaves me to wonder what you could do if you spent 4-6 hours on just one head.
As for your ebay prices, Glad to see you get them it only inforces the validity that this sort of work deserves to be compensated as so, as being a professional sculptor for almost 15 year, I still battle thouse who want to get high quality work for nothing and get offended when you the creator/artist want to make a honest living off your work.
I think as long as you don\'t use GW icons etc and don\'t call them \"Space marine conversion packs\" it would be fine.
Forgeworld do things like this for the vehicles and you can get shoulderpad conversions.
Things like the shields you do are very generic and would be appealling to fantasy collectors as well as sci fi.
Would it be worth the effort though.
I agree with a lot of others when they say concentrate your time on your own stuff, especially those historical figures you have on the other thread.
Forgeworld do things like this for the vehicles and you can get shoulderpad conversions.
Things like the shields you do are very generic and would be appealling to fantasy collectors as well as sci fi.
Would it be worth the effort though.
I agree with a lot of others when they say concentrate your time on your own stuff, especially those historical figures you have on the other thread.
Beelzebrush
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I can\'t understand any of the outcry about scibor\'s conversions... Surely - with the exception of the heads - he\'s just using bits from GW figures. The heads are definitely a grey area but if there was an article in WD.. go for it.
With regards to press moulding the components... again... so what! I think the technique works extremely well and the end product is proof. Are people being incredibly purist about this?? In my opinion, as long as the moulds are your own, it\'s just as legitimate as sculpting bits.
With regards to your sketches... they are so obviously rendered in markers. I use markers myself quite a lot for concept sketches and oddly, they look like this :doh: And... even if you were using photoshop or painter to sketch... what difference does it make... it\'s not as if you just press a button and a finished drawing appears by magic - it takes an equal amount of skill.
In my opinion scibor, just carry on with the work you are doing - how you want to do it and ignore the overly negative comments.
By the way scibor... are those Tombow pens? if so, are they any good? I usually use Tria, Prismacolor, Copics etc..
With regards to press moulding the components... again... so what! I think the technique works extremely well and the end product is proof. Are people being incredibly purist about this?? In my opinion, as long as the moulds are your own, it\'s just as legitimate as sculpting bits.
With regards to your sketches... they are so obviously rendered in markers. I use markers myself quite a lot for concept sketches and oddly, they look like this :doh: And... even if you were using photoshop or painter to sketch... what difference does it make... it\'s not as if you just press a button and a finished drawing appears by magic - it takes an equal amount of skill.
In my opinion scibor, just carry on with the work you are doing - how you want to do it and ignore the overly negative comments.
By the way scibor... are those Tombow pens? if so, are they any good? I usually use Tria, Prismacolor, Copics etc..
