NMM. Why?

[Banshee]

real metallics or NMM

I think both can be so beauty.
there are minis which are more beautiful with NMM and others than needs real metallic to looks good...I cannot imagine the most disgusting nurgle champion with a NMM sword; but when I imagine a wonderful elf painted with the most brilliant and smooth style, I imagine this with the most beauty NMM...and both can be marvellous minis and marvellous paintworks..though I cannot understand people who vote with 10 only because of a great NMM sword..I think that sword can be great but a mini should have more things well done than a sword...like the face, the ambient, the expresion, and the details , that are as important as the NMM technique.

 

[paint me]

It seems to me that the people who can do NMM like it. Those who can\'t just say they don\'t like it and use metallics. If you had the skill to paint NMM, I think you would do it rather than use metallics. I know I would.
Ever seen a Wolfen holding a huge sword painted with metallics? Or a thermopriest? ack! They look so much better in NMM, imo.

 

[KatieG]

Originally posted by paint me
It seems to me that the people who can do NMM like it. Those who can\'t just say they don\'t like it and use metallics. If you had the skill to paint NMM, I think you would do it rather than use metallics. I know I would.
Ever seen a Wolfen holding a huge sword painted with metallics? Or a thermopriest? ack! They look so much better in NMM, imo.

Sorry, but I find this offensive. I know some people who do absolutely beautiful metallics and don\'t need to bother with NMM because their regular metallics look so wonderful. I\'m not one of them mind, and I use both techniques based on whether I think the figure will look nice one way or the other. My silver NMM frankly sucks, but that doesn\'t keep me from continuing to try and liking the technique for what it is - another choice in my repertoire. I like both looks, but it depends on the mini - some just look better with regular vs NMM. Some can look just wonderful done well either way.
--Katie G.

 

[Flashman14]

And NMM as \"Flavour of the month\" - it\'s been a 2-year long month! It\'s not going anywhere. That\'s not to say get on board or get out- But don\'t count on that technique going away now or ever - it\'s here to stay ...

I kinda dig that burnishing idea too but I haven\'t seen a good example in a loooooooong time ...

 

[Hi-lite-r]

My thoughts...

Well I didn\'t even know what NMM was until joining this site, but I can\'t stand most metallic paints. Most golds, bronzes, and brasses are just crap, so when i do paint using metallics, I tend to make my own using silvers, (which I find are the only decent metallics made by citadel paints) By adding normal paints and inks. As said by more than one post, NMM silver is a lot harder to get the right affect with than NMM gold or bronze, as grey scale etc is a lot more noticable when it makes a really harse change. Basically all i had to go on in the first place was pics from this and other similar sites, as most painters who live around me either don\'t care for NMM or haven\'t heard of it. My 2 cents...

 

[Dedwrekka]

it\'s here to stay ...

I seem to remember people saying that about cubism, post-impressionism, Pink Floyd.....

And it\'s not that those who can\'t do it hate it. I can do it in some cases, and I don\'t like the way most people do it. I do like the way Arjay does it. I don\'t like the way a lot of people do it though. I haven\'t seen a completely flat landscape in some time have you?

Aside from my above rant, I think I\'m going to experiment with a metalic-NMM blend. Useing the NMM style with diferent shades of metalics, which should be very easy to do with the 4 shades of the basic grey/silver metal offered from GW.

 

[Fefferlicken]

Originally posted by ZaPhOd
No. That is just it and the point that most viewers do not understand. Great NMM looks friggin amazing in real life. It is far tighter looking, and the highlights etc are far sharper than normal metals. Again, the key is smooth blending and high contrast.

Without travelling to golden Demons or cons, where do you see such things. You make it sound as you do great NMM all the time.

 

[Valander]

Originally posted by Chrispy
If I used mettalics, the instructor would be like, \"What the heck s this, and why is it so flat?\" it\'s also because I don\'t do too well with metallic blends even though I own metallics and have expiramented with them in NMM techniques (we need a name for that, MNMM just sounds stupid).

I completely get that point. I\'ve tried using metallic paints on 2d stuff, and it always, always turns out looking like ass.

Getting metallic paint to look right is very challenging, perhaps more so than non-metallics. I\'ve found, though, that applying the Sky-Earth techniques with metallic paints really helps out. It\'s tricky, and I think I still need more practice, but below is an example of one I did way back on commission, after first reading about SENMM:

That\'s done with only metallics.

Now, I like both NMM (and feel that it almost always should be SENMM) and metallics. I think part of the challenge, as with any piece of art, is to choose what will be the most effective for that piece!

On the naming thing, I vote for SEM: Sky-Earth Metallics.

 

[Jenova]

Originally posted by FefferlickenWithout travelling to golden Demons or cons, where do you see such things. You make it sound as you do great NMM all the time.

Erm..... dude, Zappy does do great NMM.... and he gets to see figs from Saxonangel and Jericho and peeps like that. I think he knows what he\'s talking about.

 

[farseerlum]

thats really cool valander!

how does it look in RL?
do the metalics make real highlights that mess with the SE highlights?

bottom line is some people don\'t like red and some don\'t like blue but it\'s not worth getting all banged up over.

 

[Trevor]

My gut reaction is to hate Nmm, but I\'ve just started experimenting with it. Really I don\'t care, as long as its good.

 

[kittykat23uk]

Originally posted by barkel
And here are a few examples of metallics done equally well:

http://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=38651&c=All&m=All&nm=none

barkel

Is this metallic or NMM? I can\'t actually tell! I assume it is NMM but maybe it isn\'t...??? Its amazing either way.

Kat

 

[paint me]

Looks like NMM to me. I\'ve never seen metallics look anything like that. In fact, metallic paints don\'t really look like real metal, imo.

 

[ZaPhOd]

So there....

Originally posted by Jenova

Originally posted by FefferlickenWithout travelling to golden Demons or cons, where do you see such things. You make it sound as you do great NMM all the time.

Erm..... dude, Zappy does do great NMM.... and he gets to see figs from Saxonangel and Jericho and peeps like that. I think he knows what he\'s talking about.

Yes, thanks Inge! Remember Angela\'s Black Orc that won the Toadstool? Well here is a little story:

We were having our first paint meet in Red Deer, and Harry Colquhoun, Gerry and myself were sitting, chatting and painting. Thinking we were pretty cool with our nice figures.... In comes Angela. Hi, Hi, etc... and out comes her figures. Well plop goes th eBlack Orc in the middle of the table, and I tell you, I really wanted to burn my brushes and walk out! It was a major turnign point for me in my painting technique. I stopped using any form of Future Magic wash after that, and after studying the orc closely, I realised what I was doing wrong, and that with soem practice, I could do the same thing! Of course this accoutn is only my viewpoint on the event, but it really happened!

As for GDs, I have never been, but I have seen enough amazing figures in real life now to know what looks great and what doesn\'t! I can imagine confusion when you do not have the opportunity to see these things... I know I was dubious before i started trying to master NMM. Now I sit on the other side of the fence!

 

[Dragonsreach]

I must admit that I too was sceptical at first with NMM, but having tried it my appreciation for those artists who have mastered this technique is high.
It\'s not easy to get right and I\'ve made a right mess of a number of attempts but I\'m coming to grips with it.
It is not to everybody\'s taste or an effect to be done on Rank and File miniatures, (unless you are doing a regiment for competition) but for collector/display quality pieces it really does \'Ice the Cake\'.
I can understand why some people don\'t like it. It requires a specific viewpoint for SENMM and is great for Photographing from that viewpoint, but turn the mini and the effect is lost. I prefer plain NMM and will continue to try to get it right.
As regards using Metallics, I still do, and I will continue to use metals for R&F figures. But there is still room, in my opinion, to try to use some of the effects I have learned from people here, in producing a \'Faux-Reflection\' effect in metallic paints.

 

[alexgrunt]

Message original : kittykat23ukhttp://www.coolminiornot.com/index.php?id=38651&c=All&m=All&nm=none
Is this metallic or NMM? I can\'t actually tell! I assume it is NMM but maybe it isn\'t...??? Its amazing either way.

Kat

I\'ve seen it IRL... It\'s metal...

 

[ZaPhOd]

Remember that model is 13cm high! That is probably why the metallics are so smooth. They look awesome though

 

[SaintRigger]

Man.. can\'t we put this jihad to rest? Metallic lovers, non-metallic lovers, chromy senmm lovers.. come on...


group hug.

lets go.

We should all be joining forces and wage war on those silly CCG players.

:bouncy::bouncy:

 

[ZaPhOd]

Originally posted by SaintRigger
We should all be joining forces and wage war on those silly CCG players.

:bouncy::bouncy:

Bah, I have my double Spirit Linked, Lured, trample, rampage Craw Giant poised to rumble over your piddly army of orcs and goblins

 

[Cocanour]

One thing thing that I have found is that sometimes it is very hard to get enough contrast with the metals on small areas on minis. So nnm helps do that. Again it has to be done correctly.