Not highlighting enough?

[Dragonsreach]

@Hivemind: You are welcome to use the articles, that\'s what they are there for.

@finn17: You can\'t call something a copy when it\'s a vast improvement on the original.

 

[Margo]

The thing about highlights ... Let\'s just face it: they look good. Especially when you look at a mini from some distance. It\'s the highlights that will catch your eye.

The hardest thing to master, imho, is to make a clean, subtle and yet very dramatic transition from a dark colour to the bright highlight. If you\'re not good with wetblending, you can try layering.

 

[Alexi_Z]

Originally posted by Margo
If you\'re not good with wetblending, you can try layering.

Or Photoshop.... Right. Margo?

 

[finn17]

Girls, girls.....

Before you start fighting, please think........



.........at least try to set up a live web cam link first

 

[Aryanun]

I\'ve found that once I\'ve \"finished\" a piece, I\'ll set it aside for a day or so then go back to it. Often I find if I highlight some more, then a bit more... eventually I\'ve got it highlighted just right. What I can see under my painting lights is not necessarily what will be seen under regular lighting, or even sunlight. Sometimes taking an \"in progress\" shot will help me determine if I\'ve highlighted enough.

My basic tenet is: \"If I think I\'ve highlighted enough, I haven\'t.\" Eventually there\'s only so much I can do, of course, but it will look better after a couple more layers (and I do paint in layers, starting with the darkest shadow shade and working up to the highlights in many layers).

 

[supervike]

thank you finn!

Originally posted by finn17
Before you start fighting, please think........



.........at least try to set up a live web cam link first

I had thought of a hundred different responses to that, but yours is the only one that conveyed my true feelings.....

 

[Grey Mouser]

This is going to sound harsh,

I looked through your Gallery... Nice gaming pieces mostly, and some really nice work on a couple of them if your working for display figures... Unfairly rated maybe, maybe not.

You wanted comments on how to highlight? Throw them in a stripper bucket and try again or start another figure. Find different colors, experiment, try some different techniques, read as much as possible on other websites (see links section) offer great insight on painting. Are they highlighted enough? For game pieces, probably.

Why did you post gaming pieces that you don\'t intend to look like quote \"cool Mini\'s\". You want attention for gaming quality work on this site? Not going to happen. I don\'t care what anybody says! There are 30 zillion mini\'s on this site and alot of them are 5\'s and 6\'s or less. Why?

Some of them are working towards getting better and really striving to improve.

Some people are happy with what they can accomplish and are having some fun.
Good for them.

And then there\'s the ones that don\'t know better..

The sad part is you gave a low score to a figure that was technically superior to your own level of work. Why? Because you simply hated the color choice? Who died and made you the color queen? Or anybody else on this site?? I\'ve seen people vote low on non GW products before.. what is that all about??

This is not directed at you, but personally I hate the fact that a no talent hack can come on here and vote something that I spent hours and hours on into the ground! Even if they did just look at a Haley Model..thats no excuse! But that\'s life and it ain\'t going to change because I want it to. But you actually defended you position?

Next time you vote or anybody else votes for that matter, think about the technique and the skill involved and the overall appearance? Could you do it? and what would you give it for a rating if it were your work? How much time do you think they spent on it? Does it look cool even if it\'s a little different.

Personally I don\'t give low scores to things I can\'t paint and if I can\'t score it nicely I need to move on and I certainly wouldn\'t comment on it????

Your just begging the snipers to come nail your work. Resenting a remark somebody makes on here = snipers galore..

If you make a comment on here you get the same result snipers galore! I\'m sure some people will say they don\'t do it, but they do because it\'s keyboard braveness. I know full well all about that.

I have no gallery on here anymore, and all I did was ask a question.. Someday I\'ll put it back. But don\'t be surprised when you get it dished back to you.

Puff, long rant Oh well sorry needed to be said.

 

[Margo]

Originally posted by finn17
Before you start fighting, please think........

.........at least try to set up a live web cam link first

Finn, it\'s a long story and I\'m not going to get into details And I will never condescend to fighting ... erm ... people with issues :innocent:

 

[Mosch]

Orginal gepostet von Grey Mouser
The sad part is you gave a low score to a figure that was technically superior to your own level of work. Why? Because you simply hated the color choice? Who died and made you the color queen? Or anybody else on this site?? I\'ve seen people vote low on non GW products before.. what is that all about??

This is not directed at you, but personally I hate the fact that a no talent hack can come on here and vote something that I spent hours and hours on into the ground! Even if they did just look at a Haley Model..thats no excuse! But that\'s life and it ain\'t going to change because I want it to. But you actually defended you position?

Next time you vote or anybody else votes for that matter, think about the technique and the skill involved and the overall appearance? Could you do it? and what would you give it for a rating if it were your work? How much time do you think they spent on it? Does it look cool even if it\'s a little different.

Personally I don\'t give low scores to things I can\'t paint and if I can\'t score it nicely I need to move on and I certainly wouldn\'t comment on it????

1. Well, who you made YOU master of colours? I don\'t see a problem with that. You don\'t like the colour scheme - you don\'t think the mini is cool.

2. I feel that you have missed the point of this website. Coolminiornot provides you with a platform to present your minis to the public and ask their opinion. I have no painting talent, so I may not vote? I don\'t think so.

3. The thing is, I look at a mini and decide wether I think it\'s cool or not. If you paint with a perfect technique, it may have taken several months to complete but that does not necessarily make it cooler. If I don\'t like the sculpt and vote it lower because of that, it\'s still a valid opinion. If you paint an assassin with great skill, but use colours I do not like on him, I will vote him down. If I write a comment or you ask for one, I will tell you why.

4. I am not a tailor, but I can decide that I do not like a certain piece of clothing. Same with minis. I paint crappy, I admit it, and I voted low on pieces that were better than mine. BUT I would vote even lower on my own pieces. Not commenting on something just because you can not do it is a concept I have never understood. I can not program games, but I know that I do not like Metal Gear Solid. Can I do it better? Probably not.


And Snipers: I can understand how they are unnerving, but they represent another group of people: The close-minded dumb buggers you find so many of in this world There will always be people that tell you that your mini is stupid just because you did not paint a recent GW piece, or because they don\'t like you, or something like that. Ah, I\'m ranting, I\'m gong to stop now

 

[Grey Mouser]

I didn\'t miss the point of this site. Cool mini or not.

I recognize that people come on here and vote anyway they choose. Good for them. Helps the site grow.

I may not think it\'s right for a non painter to vote a mini down because of color, but as I said it isn\'t going to change just because I think it should. Nobody cares what I think. LOL

I also recognize that there are really 5\'s or less on this site. A 5 is tabletop.

Now maybe there is some question in some peoples minds as to what that represents. To me it\'s a gaming piece... \"would I enjoy playing in a game with it?\" Anything done above a standard playing piece should go up, right?

The mini in question currently enjoys a score of 8. This tells me it is way above standard. So because of color the person votes it to a 5. Wow now that\'s a drop! Forget technical approach, and skill...not to mention finally leaving a negative comment to back that up? Wow!

Last but not least and then asks why their own mini is a lower score. After all what more could they have done??

We are all entitled to our own opinions. To voice them is a different matter. I see opinions left of a tehnical nature all the time, some are thoughtless and some are constructive. Some are coming from skilled people and some are not, How do I tell? When I visit their gallery... LOL.

 

[Indigo]

My last post on the site

I don\'t understand parts of what you mean so I will only address those I do.

Originally posted by Grey Mouser
The mini in question currently enjoys a score of 8. This tells me it is way above standard. So because of color the person votes it to a 5. Wow now that\'s a drop! Forget technical approach, and skill...not to mention finally leaving a negative comment to back that up? Wow!

Just because a mini has a score of 8 doesn\'t mean I score it any differently. I deliberately turn off the current score to avoid this.

With this comment though you\'ve proven how ignorant you are. My comments are negative, but I made a point about saying that although I didn\'t like the finished model I did recognise the skill involved. Is it not fair to say that a model can be painted using utterly perfect technique, but if the colour scheme, model, pose and base are poor it lets it all down?

As I have seen all to often with this place, if I don\'t leave gushing praise and a score in the 9s or 10s for a frankly terrible model I will receive numerous aggresive emails and face derision and scorn from a select few small-minded people on the forums who then go on to deliberately score my models poorly. Frankly, I\'m sick of it. I couldn\'t give a damn what score my models get overall - I don\'t need to justify my painting skill to anyone on CMON - but I did want to come here to get advice and opinions. The only time score comes into it is when two similar models had a vastly different score and I was curious as to why - I painted them at the same time and with the same techniques, yet one appears to be \"better\" than the other.

Originally posted by Grey Mouser
Last but not least and then asks why their own mini is a lower score. After all what more could they have done??

You have deliberatley misquoted me here. I know full well why my mini has a score like it does - it\'s because people like you get offended when I respond to other people\'s requests to criticise their models. You then take it upon yourself to somehow right the balance by voting my models down! As if I care! All I wanted to know was what more I could do to them!

Originally posted by Grey Mouser
We are all entitled to our own opinions. To voice them is a different matter.

Oh so now you\'re telling us whether or not we can offer opinions when the person in question has specifically asked for them from us? ???
Think before you type next time.

Originally posted by Grey Mouser
I see opinions left of a tehnical nature all the time, some are thoughtless and some are constructive. Some are coming from skilled people and some are not, How do I tell? When I visit their gallery...

You are such an arrogant hypocrite!
You first suggest that only a person of superior skill can criticise a model painted by an \"inferior\" person, the proceed to vent on these forums and criticise me when you don\'t even have any work of your own! By your own argument you can\'t pass a single word of judgement as you haven\'t proven yourself to be somehow better than I! lol

I personally wouldn\'t care what you said as long as it was constructive but sadly as has been the case ever since I started posting at CMON my opinions are seemingly not welcome. I don\'t think NMM is all that good. I don\'t have a savage hatred for all things GW. I don\'t give terrible minis a 7 and leave a \"wow good job\" comment - I score them low but at least have the decency to honestly tell them why I didn\'t like their model.

To the few who have taken the time to actually offer useful criticism of my work and sent genuine messages - thanks for you help, and good luck to you in the future. I\'ve nothing to say to the mindless, cliquey, overlord idiots though.

 

[supervike]

definately makes a splash...

I hate to see you go Indigo...

A little controversy is usually a good thing, it gets people talking passionately about what they believe in.

But, looking back at this thread and the fact that something similar must have happened before...

(thus this thread)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=4615&page=1

I can see why you\'d want to leave.

 

[Grey Mouser]

You can vote anything you want I said that.. I simply don\'t understand your rating system of a 5? The mini you voted is clearly not a 5. It could have been a 6 above average, a 7 a little more, and even an 8. But a 5 it\'s not. Apparently I\'m not alone in that opinion.

If I\'m a Hypocrite for saying people who haven\'t got the skills to comment shouldn\'t? Then I\'m in good company! I\'ve been in the Military for 13 years, my guess is very few people could presume to tell me how to do my job except my peers? I\'m sure I couldn\'t do your job for example and you wouldn\'t want me to tell you how to do it, just common sense.

I do not have a gallery on here anymore probably for the same reason your not going to post anymore. Feel free to read all my post.

I don\'t leave a 5 or below rated comment at the moment. I certainly never posted anything about your work except here. I didn\'t vote on any of your models.

Your upset because you gave it out. If you have the courage of your conviction then except it in return, and go on.

Ignore me I don\'t pay for your bills and I don\'t buy your lead and I\'m not going to be painting it. So who am I? Nobody.

 

[Dragonsreach]

Originally posted by supervike
I hate to see you go Indigo...

A little controversy is usually a good thing, it gets people talking passionately about what they believe in.

But, looking back at this thread and the fact that something similar must have happened before...

(thus this thread)

http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=4615&page=1

I can see why you\'d want to leave.

Indigo You\'ve only just come back here, please do not leave again. You\'ve shown that you have the courage of your convictions to defend your point of view and rating system.

Grey Mouser You also have made good arguments defending your point of view.

That in itself make\'s a good statement for both of you. But I think that it is now time to stop and walk aound \"In the other person\'s shoes\". While arguments between people on this site can provide \"gratuitous entertainment\" It\'s not going to really achieve anything.

Therefore I strongly suggest that you both respect each others point of view and agree to differ. OK.

 

[finn17]

Indigo, it\'s a free world....

But picking up your ball and going home doesn\'t achieve anything.
You perhaps have to ask yourself why this has happened to you on at least two occasions..is it a secret international conspiracy to get your goat..or are there perhaps aspects of what you say and do that initiates these disputes?
So far, I just see an active exchange of strongly held views...My own approach to such situations is to either answer back (within the forum guidelines of course), ignore them totally (If you are in a hole stop digging) or turn them into a joke. Leaving the club is just cutting off your nose to spite your face IMO...but whatever....it\'s a free world

 

[Grey Mouser]

Hey! Just so everybody knows I bear Indigo no ill will. This is a forum for debate and expressing opinions...

Indigo is perfectly entitled to His or her opinion and I mean that with all sincerity. He or She has every right to post what he or she likes and doesn\'t like and I respect that. In the same way we have a right to debate that.

I\'m not going to go around scoring anybody\'s mini\'s Low and sniping his or her comments. Dragonsreach is right, both sides discussed to death LOL. Time to put away the artist temperments.

Don\'t go away because of something I said. I wanted you to see something different than your approach and I didn\'t mean to make you run away mad.

 

[finn17]

Well, well....

Indigo is/was of the female persuasion...

You are not married by any chance are you:flip:

It\'s just that some things seem to strike a certain familiar chord...:innocent:

 

[supervike]

according to the \"search gallery\" there is an indigo and an *indigo*.....

And just to confuse matters more, one of *indigo*\'s pics has a comment posted by indigo...

 

[Grey Mouser]

Umm I edited that last post.. I thought it was a female. Thankyou Finn.. I\'m not sure I thought the name was female and the icon was a female... Maybe I am wrong the icon is gone now. My apologizes on the gender issue as well. Either way still stands.