Not in Canada!
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MPJ
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I had written a long drawn out response but it seems somehow I wasn\'t logged in and don\'t feel like thinking it all up again so here\'s the condensed version...
It\'s a fact that disarmament of the people is one of the first steps towards dictatorship. Been that way throught history.
Big difference between North America and Europs isn\'t the guns it\'s the cultural diversity, we got a lot more of it. This causes friction and lots of it. Canada does a better job of culture mashing than the US and has lower population density therefore less outbreaks.
Montreal has a similar level of gun control to the UK.
No Such Agency
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Removal of weapons could also be one of the first steps towards a less-violent society. I could just as easily say that \"everyone having weapons is the first step towards becoming Somalia (an un-governed chaos ruled by gunmen), it\'s been that way throughout history\" - but I doubt you would agree with that.
philologus
Subgenius
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity”
-Sigmund Freud
I dislike Freud\'s writings but this is priceless.
Torn blue sky
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*ding ding*...Oh yeah!
Has anyone heard the guys motive for the shooting? Get this.
He wanted to go down in a hail of bullets like Romeo and Juliet...O\'kaaaay. And I suppose he couldn\'t have invoked an armed response Without Killing and injuring inoccent people??? Apparently he was part of some goth gang or something or other...
Has anyone heard the guys motive for the shooting? Get this.
He wanted to go down in a hail of bullets like Romeo and Juliet...O\'kaaaay. And I suppose he couldn\'t have invoked an armed response Without Killing and injuring inoccent people??? Apparently he was part of some goth gang or something or other...
I think there is enough evidence to disprove that easily. Violence stastics in gun controled countries is not lower than that of non gun controlled countries. This doesn\'t mean the argument to arm everyone is valid, but it does make the no guns is a less violent society invalid.
This was a sad day for everyone and I don\'t want to diminish the importance and the seriousness of it, but when all is said and done how many people will die in Canada as a result of automobile accidents? How many people will die from cancer, disease or whatever? The fact that this is so rare that one incident only happens once a decade is probably good for Canada.
Torn blue sky
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I think the \"Is it legal\" debates a bit flat really. If you want a fully automatic weapon, you can get hold of it. Legal or not, thats the sad script.
If anything there should be some kind of massive crackdown on gun runners and arms dealers.
If anything there should be some kind of massive crackdown on gun runners and arms dealers.
Orb
procrastinator
does it?
while violence may not be lower, gun deaths are! OK, these figures are a few years old, but the number of deaths in 2004/5 in the UK was less that in 1993. It is still less than 100 annually.
I know the following is difficult to read, but formatting is tricky in these little windows..........
Gun Deaths - International Comparisons
Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
Homicide Suicide Unintentional
USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)
Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)
Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -
Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -
England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)
Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)
* Homicide & attempted homicide by handgun
Data collected by Philip Alpers, Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and HELP Network
Additional data can be found in Table A.10 of the World Report on Violence and Health, published by the World Health Organization on 3 October 2002.
I would think it a good idea, if there is enough evidence, to post a link in order to back up what you say. I\'m open to any arguments, with evidence to support it!
No Such Agency
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Well said. It\'s a little more often than that, but yes, when all is said and done you are still way more likely to die of cancer or a car crash or maybe even lightning than to be shot in Canada. That\'s partly why it is so shocking when it does happen, it\'s a grim version of man-bites-dog.
Infidel Castro
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Aye, but car deaths are a result of the populace driving cars. If we\'re talking about people getting run over, fair call, but people who die in their cars? It\'s a risk people take when throwing 3 tonne vehicles round the place. And cancer is cancer, a naturally occurring condition in mny cases. Whilst that\'s a complete shitter it can\'t be compared to being mowed down by some gun-wielding tit.
