Now I really am in a bad/sad mood...
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I have prejudices against pit-bulls. I feel so bad. pitbullophobicI am biased of course...
I think it comes over as sentimental and/or weird because people are being asked to surrender their family pet for execution because of it\'s breed. This has been happening Germany and other parts of Europe for some time.
My dog, Spike, is a pedigree and registered with the Kennel Club. If he wasn\'t he would be subject to the \'Dangerous Dogs Act\' and could be taken away to be castrated and/or destroyed at any time. Compared to other parts of Europe however, where he would just be taken away and destroyed, we have it light in the UK.
Scum, who deliberately breed and/or train dangerous dogs should be castrated and then put out of their misery but it is a living tragedy when loving pets are removed from families simply because of their genes...
I think it comes over as sentimental and/or weird because people are being asked to surrender their family pet for execution because of it\'s breed. This has been happening Germany and other parts of Europe for some time.
My dog, Spike, is a pedigree and registered with the Kennel Club. If he wasn\'t he would be subject to the \'Dangerous Dogs Act\' and could be taken away to be castrated and/or destroyed at any time. Compared to other parts of Europe however, where he would just be taken away and destroyed, we have it light in the UK.
Scum, who deliberately breed and/or train dangerous dogs should be castrated and then put out of their misery but it is a living tragedy when loving pets are removed from families simply because of their genes...
johnboyjjb
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The Inumanity of Humanity
Human ignorance and stupidity kills. Perhaps we should legislate and euthanize those who are dumb and prevent things like this from happening
Human ignorance and stupidity kills. Perhaps we should legislate and euthanize those who are dumb and prevent things like this from happening
This is a touchy subject....and I will approach it with just cause.
I am more playing the devils advocate here because I think it is an interesting debate. I am in no way in favor of euthanizing innocent animals, and think that practice is inhuman.
First off I just want to say, people may think they know their animals but some of these animals are beartraps with muscle. They can be extremely dangerous. I have had a pit bull, members of my family have had several chows, dobermans, a rottweiler, a st. bernard. I am familar with these animals, and they were ALL great dogs.
But, when I worked as a phone company repairman, even the most friendly dogs can become vicious. I have been out to peoples farms where the dog wouldn\'t even let me get out of the truck to go to the front door. No one was home at the time. When I finally came back a day later, the customer was mad at me and said their dog would never behave like that.
I have had dogs chase me through back yards, and one dog being walked by its owner rushed over and bit me for no reason. The lady said she had never seen her act like that. I suppose it could have been the tools hanging from my belt.
I got to the point where I would carry little doggie treats in my truck. Sometimes this worked, sometimes it didn\'t.
I don\'t blame the dogs, they are just doing what they think is appropriate, protecting their own BUT my point is, you don\'t know how a dog will react to a stranger.
Several insurance companies WILL NOT sell you home-owners insurance if you have a \'dangerous breed\' animal. At first I balked when I heard this type of fiscal black mail, but soon realized it does make sense.
You could have the worlds best behaved dog, but what would happen when a toddler accidently pinched it? Would it snap?
Finn is absolutely right also. There are a bunch of sick freaks that get pleasure over raising a vicious dog, and breed it and train it to be so. I see it no different than someone being careless with a firearm or weapon. They should be punished for that. But what do you do? Wait until someone is attacked?
A fellow in our town was raising a pair of mountain lions a few years back. Should that be allowed? He kept them caged, but guess what? They got loose. No one was harmed, but what is the point of having them? The law came down on him pretty hard. But is a mountain lion less or more dangerous than a large german shepard?
It is very sad that these people would ever have to lose their family pet. I know people get attached to animals and they are no less a member of a family than a person would be.
But what is the right answer?
I am more playing the devils advocate here because I think it is an interesting debate. I am in no way in favor of euthanizing innocent animals, and think that practice is inhuman.
First off I just want to say, people may think they know their animals but some of these animals are beartraps with muscle. They can be extremely dangerous. I have had a pit bull, members of my family have had several chows, dobermans, a rottweiler, a st. bernard. I am familar with these animals, and they were ALL great dogs.
But, when I worked as a phone company repairman, even the most friendly dogs can become vicious. I have been out to peoples farms where the dog wouldn\'t even let me get out of the truck to go to the front door. No one was home at the time. When I finally came back a day later, the customer was mad at me and said their dog would never behave like that.
I have had dogs chase me through back yards, and one dog being walked by its owner rushed over and bit me for no reason. The lady said she had never seen her act like that. I suppose it could have been the tools hanging from my belt.
I got to the point where I would carry little doggie treats in my truck. Sometimes this worked, sometimes it didn\'t.
I don\'t blame the dogs, they are just doing what they think is appropriate, protecting their own BUT my point is, you don\'t know how a dog will react to a stranger.
Several insurance companies WILL NOT sell you home-owners insurance if you have a \'dangerous breed\' animal. At first I balked when I heard this type of fiscal black mail, but soon realized it does make sense.
You could have the worlds best behaved dog, but what would happen when a toddler accidently pinched it? Would it snap?
Finn is absolutely right also. There are a bunch of sick freaks that get pleasure over raising a vicious dog, and breed it and train it to be so. I see it no different than someone being careless with a firearm or weapon. They should be punished for that. But what do you do? Wait until someone is attacked?
A fellow in our town was raising a pair of mountain lions a few years back. Should that be allowed? He kept them caged, but guess what? They got loose. No one was harmed, but what is the point of having them? The law came down on him pretty hard. But is a mountain lion less or more dangerous than a large german shepard?
It is very sad that these people would ever have to lose their family pet. I know people get attached to animals and they are no less a member of a family than a person would be.
But what is the right answer?
I don\'t know the solution, but I do have contempt for people who have small children and insist on keeping a dangerous breed of dog in the house with them. Even in our small part of the world I\'ve seen 2-3 really nasty news stories of children being killed or mauled by dogs that were previously \"lovable family members\".
Quite right Jarrett
I have no tolerance for ignorance either.
There are very few breeds however, if any, that one would trust implicitly with unsupervised young children. It shouldn\'t be a surprise when \'Old Yella\' sudenly gets jealous???
Where incidents occur it is generally the result of parental ignorance, not the fault of the poor dog who has suddenly been relegated to the yard for reasons it can\'t understand.
I have no tolerance for ignorance either.
There are very few breeds however, if any, that one would trust implicitly with unsupervised young children. It shouldn\'t be a surprise when \'Old Yella\' sudenly gets jealous???
Where incidents occur it is generally the result of parental ignorance, not the fault of the poor dog who has suddenly been relegated to the yard for reasons it can\'t understand.
RedSevenBlue
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adressing the bias.
For those of you who don\'t have any pets at all, or have never run into a dog at a friends house really, let me just put how bad these people will feel when their dogs are taken away forever, just imagine having someone take all of your money (no lame excuses like \"I keep all my money at a bank\", this is a hypothetical statement about how we all feel about losing out pets.) well, Imagine someone took all your money, all of it, every dollar and penny and burned it, then, while you were forced to watch, clockwork orange style, they took every single one of your miniatures and burned them.
I think this is very wrong, its all the people fault, this happened to our dog, he became all vicscious because my mom locked him in a cage constantly because she refused toi get hairs on her carpet, 2 years later, I dropped a chip on the floor and went to pick it up, the dog mauled the top of my head.
Summary of last paragraph: Wrong for some dogs, right for others.
For those of you who don\'t have any pets at all, or have never run into a dog at a friends house really, let me just put how bad these people will feel when their dogs are taken away forever, just imagine having someone take all of your money (no lame excuses like \"I keep all my money at a bank\", this is a hypothetical statement about how we all feel about losing out pets.) well, Imagine someone took all your money, all of it, every dollar and penny and burned it, then, while you were forced to watch, clockwork orange style, they took every single one of your miniatures and burned them.
I think this is very wrong, its all the people fault, this happened to our dog, he became all vicscious because my mom locked him in a cage constantly because she refused toi get hairs on her carpet, 2 years later, I dropped a chip on the floor and went to pick it up, the dog mauled the top of my head.
Summary of last paragraph: Wrong for some dogs, right for others.
Money or minis? Heh. If someone took away my dog with the intention of destroying her, without question I\'d go apeshit. That creature is the closest thing I\'ve had to a child.
@RSB: I could not agree with you more, it\'s not the fault of the dogs, not nearly as much as it is the owner\'s. However, a similar thing happened to a cousin of mine. Her husband used to breed prize-winning Rottweilers. One was kept as a pet, and was always a lovely animal, and gentle with their kid. Until one day it mauled him. The sad thing is; they continued to trust the animal, and kept it. Three weeks later, it ripped open his cheeks.
@RSB: I could not agree with you more, it\'s not the fault of the dogs, not nearly as much as it is the owner\'s. However, a similar thing happened to a cousin of mine. Her husband used to breed prize-winning Rottweilers. One was kept as a pet, and was always a lovely animal, and gentle with their kid. Until one day it mauled him. The sad thing is; they continued to trust the animal, and kept it. Three weeks later, it ripped open his cheeks.
I agree. Thing is, the story is rarely
\"We had an incredibly dangerous, vicious dog that got loose and mauled our child - we should have given him away\".
Generally its
\"The dog had always been an affectionate, loving family member who was always very gentle with the kids. Then one day it went berserk and attacked our 3 year old for no apparent reason.\"
Therein is the problem: the dogs don\'t give any sign they will hurt anyone, but for some reason one day they snap and attack a child. Why take that risk when you could have a safer pet? Like a boa constrictor?
freakinacage
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dumb, just dumb.
RedSevenBlue
New member
As soon as I heard that last sentance, my jaw dropped and I said \"holy shit!\" Is the kid still alie, cuz if he was dead because of that, I would say, even as an animal lover, I would put him down myself, old yeller style.
*revise: I would HAVE to put him down like old yeller. I would not let some guy with a needle take that dog away so easily, this dog took the life of a child.
Dogs should be licensed, because people are stoopid!
If you think about things properly..ie dogs are pack animals, we are hairless monkeys etc. there will never be a problem.
Thing is, people don\'t like to believe they are just animals and therefore forget the contract our ancestors made with the wolves several millenia ago.
While we are at it...meat does not naturrally ocur in clingfilm-wrapped polystyrene containers.:innocent:
If you think about things properly..ie dogs are pack animals, we are hairless monkeys etc. there will never be a problem.
Thing is, people don\'t like to believe they are just animals and therefore forget the contract our ancestors made with the wolves several millenia ago.
While we are at it...meat does not naturrally ocur in clingfilm-wrapped polystyrene containers.:innocent:
Yes, the kid is still alive, I never kept up with the story to know the real extents of the damage, but; I think he had to have reconstructive surgery. Well, that was after the second time the rottweiler turned on him. My cousins saw to it that the dog would never do it again... still, if you listen closely enough, you\'ll hear a whispering about a horse and a stable door.
Just like people, if dogs let you down once, the chances are that they\'ll do it again.
