obama\'s call for suspending trials on alleged terrorists

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uberdark

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so what do you think....personally i think its a good thing, this is just what we need to do, stop being a nation afraid and beginning to heal. at the same time i can see this as a bad thing in some regards because some terrorists that are real might get released...dont know just yet.

and btw i am not one of those \"my god barack is the new jesus\" people. i hold him in high regard but am cautiously watching how things unfold. anyhow discuss.
 
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skeeve

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Well, lets just say this... 5 military prosecutors, FIVE, resigned from this place over ethical and procedural concerns... I wonder why did they do this if everything is great and amazing in this place. Nobody is going to release anybody, not any time soon.
They simply change status and trial venue.
Considering how much time trial and pre-trial preparations take in cases like this I don\'t expect to see many of them out there.

As for the risk of some terrorists being release. You know, the best terrorist (apart from the dead one) is the one you are well aware of. It is those that we don\'t know about yet we should be concerned.
 
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ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Meh. Take it or leave it for me. Is this halt being called for public perceptual reasons, or is it being called to find a better way?

Don\'t really care one way or another, but it might help advertise the begining of a \"new and improved\" America.

NOW with 68% less torture then the leading brand!

I look forward to seeing how the American people actually respond with a new president. Will the hope and awe surrounding Obama\'s innaguration translate to real world change of life for America and the globe? Hope so.

Maybe this is a good step in that direction, but I neither her nor there on it.
 
airhead

airhead

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I just wish that they had applied the Geneva Convention to them once they were captured.

Instead, we are going to \"feel their pain\" and release them - probably with a pat on the back for being good.
 
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vincegamer

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Considering the rampant abuses under the last administration, I think it\'s a good thing.
120 days though? that seems a long time even for government trials.
 
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supervike

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Originally posted by ScottRadom

I Will the hope and awe surrounding Obama\'s innaguration translate to real world change of life for America and the globe? Hope so.

Maybe this is a good step in that direction, but I neither her nor there on it.
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I sure hope so too. It is very easy to get disillusioned by politics and leaders. The promises are always much better than the results.

America often seems caught in no mans land. Often the world looks to America to fix the problems while simultaneosly asking America to stop being so overbearing.

Maybe Obama can find the right mix.
 
Dragon Forge Design

Dragon Forge Design

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It was halted for 120 days like all of Bushes regulations have been.Its common practice for an incoming President to do so to figure out what all is going on. What Ive been reading so far is they are working up the paperwork to close Gitmo with in a year which will involve releasing some detainees and moving the rest to other locations to be tried. Its not like were going to open the doors and say..Umm Sorry..and send them on their merry way.. Many of these guys are very dangerous people. Ive read somewhere and need to try and find the exact number but something like 48 detainees released have returned to terrorism activities with some blowing them selves up and human bombs.
 
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ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Originally posted by supervike
Originally posted by ScottRadom

I Will the hope and awe surrounding Obama\'s innaguration translate to real world change of life for America and the globe? Hope so.

Maybe this is a good step in that direction, but I neither her nor there on it.
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I sure hope so too. It is very easy to get disillusioned by politics and leaders. The promises are always much better than the results.

America often seems caught in no mans land. Often the world looks to America to fix the problems while simultaneosly asking America to stop being so overbearing.

Maybe Obama can find the right mix.
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I doubt it. I think... whoa.... gonna stick my neck out here.... that with the historical significence of a Black mand running the country he will get a bit of a grace period that a Texan with a sketchy past just didn\'t get. Who\'s gonna be the first to rip into Obama about his policies and stance? And what\'s gonna happen to the media service that casts the first stone at Obama?

With every decision the American government makes going under the microscope I think it\'s just a matter of time before the American people become just as disenchanted as they were with the Bush years.

I\'ll stick my neck out further and say I think Bush did an acceptable job. He had a LOT of wildcards played against him during his reign. The cry for blood after 9/11 was enormously loud and then after he kicked ass and the \"Now what?\" happened everyone turned on him, especially those that called for foreign heads to roll.

I hope with all I\'ve got that the global and internal perception of America has been given enough of a boost with the decision to put Obama in the white house. I hope that so many of the tough and unpopular decisions were made by Bush that Obama can be given a little soft time, and people can be given a little hope by the media for a change.
 
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ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design
It was halted for 120 days like all of Bushes regulations have been.Its common practice for an incoming President to do so to figure out what all is going on. What Ive been reading so far is they are working up the paperwork to close Gitmo with in a year which will involve releasing some detainees and moving the rest to other locations to be tried. Its not like were going to open the doors and say..Umm Sorry..and send them on their merry way.. Many of these guys are very dangerous people. Ive read somewhere and need to try and find the exact number but something like 48 detainees released have returned to terrorism activities with some blowing them selves up and human bombs.
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The crappy thing about anti-American sentiment is that some will claim the suicide bombers were driven to those acts by being in American detention at Gitmo.

Picking on America is probably the one thing that unites the globe!

Not me though. So don\'t be price gouging this Canadian on his next order!
 
Dragon Forge Design

Dragon Forge Design

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Originally posted by ScottRadom
Originally posted by Dragon Forge Design
It was halted for 120 days like all of Bushes regulations have been.Its common practice for an incoming President to do so to figure out what all is going on. What Ive been reading so far is they are working up the paperwork to close Gitmo with in a year which will involve releasing some detainees and moving the rest to other locations to be tried. Its not like were going to open the doors and say..Umm Sorry..and send them on their merry way.. Many of these guys are very dangerous people. Ive read somewhere and need to try and find the exact number but something like 48 detainees released have returned to terrorism activities with some blowing them selves up and human bombs.
Click to expand...

The crappy thing about anti-American sentiment is that some will claim the suicide bombers were driven to those acts by being in American detention at Gitmo.

Picking on America is probably the one thing that unites the globe!

Not me though. So don\'t be price gouging this Canadian on his next order!
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That all depends on when he orders it..the longer he takes the deeper the gouge ;)

:p lol
 
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slah

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I´m not familiar with the workings of the \"trials\" of the guantanamo-prisoners to say if there is/should be any worries about due proces. If there is reason to worry the trials should be suspended, if not, then Obama should stay as far away from them as possible.

It´s about time the guantanamo-travesty was resolved.
 
BarstoolProphet

BarstoolProphet

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Wait. You mean the torture victims at Guantanamo Bay actually get trials?
There\'s supposed to be some kind of justice involved in it?

I did not know that.

Huh. You learn something new every day.
 
Ebonbuddha

Ebonbuddha

Active member
I am with you. I like Obama, but he isn\'t the messiah to me. He has a rough eight years ahead. Yes, I see him getting two terms.

Originally posted by uberdark
so what do you think....personally i think its a good thing, this is just what we need to do, stop being a nation afraid and beginning to heal. at the same time i can see this as a bad thing in some regards because some terrorists that are real might get released...dont know just yet.

and btw i am not one of those \"my god barack is the new jesus\" people. i hold him in high regard but am cautiously watching how things unfold. anyhow discuss.
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Evil Dave

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Originally posted by airhead
I just wish that they had applied the Geneva Convention to them once they were captured.

Instead, we are going to \"feel their pain\" and release them - probably with a pat on the back for being good.
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Had we followed the Geneva Conventions all of this would be moot as unlawful combatants are not afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention.
The Convention gives the military the right to shoot unlawful combatants on sight without a trial.
I\'d say they\'re lucky to be alive.
 
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skeeve

Member
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by airhead
I just wish that they had applied the Geneva Convention to them once they were captured.

Instead, we are going to \"feel their pain\" and release them - probably with a pat on the back for being good.
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Had we followed the Geneva Conventions all of this would be moot as unlawful combatants are not afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention.
The Convention gives the military the right to shoot unlawful combatants on sight without a trial.
I\'d say they\'re lucky to be alive.
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Not unless that combatant surrender. If he does then you have to treat him accordingly - Red Cross and such, specific standard of interrogations and such, repatriation upon cessation of hostilities and such. You open whole another can of worms like how we determine when and how to repatriate them, whole deal with international access to POW ...
 
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Evil Dave

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Originally posted by skeeve
Originally posted by Evil Dave
Originally posted by airhead
I just wish that they had applied the Geneva Convention to them once they were captured.

Instead, we are going to \"feel their pain\" and release them - probably with a pat on the back for being good.
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Had we followed the Geneva Conventions all of this would be moot as unlawful combatants are not afforded the protection of the Geneva Convention.
The Convention gives the military the right to shoot unlawful combatants on sight without a trial.
I\'d say they\'re lucky to be alive.
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Not unless that combatant surrender. If he does then you have to treat him accordingly - Red Cross and such, specific standard of interrogations and such, repatriation upon cessation of hostilities and such. You open whole another can of worms like how we determine when and how to repatriate them, whole deal with international access to POW ...
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Unless you do not have the troops to handle prisoners and the objective is not reached.
If prisoners ever become a liability to the mission or to the soldiers (which is very, very open to interpretation) they are expendable.
Unlawful combatants however, are never afforded the same rights as POW. These are two separate categories.

I personally see it as silly and even harmful to play by rules of civility in wars when your opponent does not and will not.
Ask Daniel Pearl if he had a trial and the rights afforded to POW\'s.
 
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