Odd Family Issue...

MPJ

New member
I have three beautiful children...

My boy is 8, top of his class, has won \'Student of the Month\' every year he\'s been in school for excellent behavior and such.

I have a baby, 22 months. She\'s playful and chatty, always smiling. A little early to tell many things but everyone comments on how delightful she is.

Then there is the middle child. She\'s 5 and in her first year at school. Stunningly beautiful girl, I had always suspected her to actually be smarter than her brother but no one else really saw it (not even the wife). She\'s a terror, one moment she\'s sweet as can be the next... well lets just say there\'s another side to her (dang Gemini).

Rather than student of the month like her brother she has managed to bring home 4 \'Blue Notices\' in the first couple months of class (the harshest punishment the schools can dish out short of suspension). The school put her into a special program once a week where a few kids work with a child psychologist on behavioral issues. Well after a few sessions he wants to talk to us, tells us he wants to work with her on an individual basis after the group class is done because apparently...

He believes she is some sort of child phenomenon. So intelligent that she is able to nearly instantly figure out what pushes peoples buttons and out of sheer boredom she goes to work on her teachers and such.

Anyway, I\'ve summarized a 2 hour meeting into two sentences but I think the gist is there. I\'m quite at a loss on what to do with this information. Scholastically she is top of her class (OK, it\'s primary and that means she can print her alphabet better than the others) but I can\'t remember a day where she has come home without getting into any trouble at all. According to the psychologist (who lectures across the UK, US, and Canada and teaches at one of the bigger local universities) our biggest problem is surviving the next 12 years until she\'s out of school. Being that some members of our family have dubbed her the \'Future Leader of Al-Queida\', survival might be a challenge indeed.

Of course many of you might recognize this post as half \'cry for help/advice\' and half \'proud daddy\', to be certain both feelings are at the top fighting for dominance.

PS: We of course have mentioned nothing of this to any of my children, don\'t need the others feeling lesser and we don\'t need to give my girl an even bigger ego.
 

alextheartist

New member
Well if she starts contacting well know terrorist organisations, you know its time to stop the pocket money lol

Btw, your about to FREAK OUT!!
 

ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
Nothin\' wrong with talkin\' up your kids. You\'d be a crap person if you didn\'t do that every now and again!

As to solutions, good luck. One thing I would reccomend from my own experience is to find something for her to take part in where her skills will be challenged. Maybe Dance, Gymnastics, Martial Arts, something where her scholastic affinity counts for less and she\'s more able to enjoy the challenge of developing the skills being taught to her.

If you can count to 1000 it can be frustrating sitting there while the teachers try to teach the class to count to 10.

I wouldn\'t discount your own interests. As she progress\' in age I\'d steer her into a hobby - any one will do. Think ofwhat your hobby does for you and all the learning and enjoyment you get out of something so fun.

My two cents. Good Luck!

My 4 year old dropped his first \"F-Bomb\" in preschool last week. Ooops! Kind of embarrasing. He\'s been labelled the trouble kid. Damn.
 

junior elf

New member
I\'m not an expert but if your two older kids are both really smart I would think that your 22 month old will be just as clever. Also, you could try an IQ test to see how smart your kids are. I\'m guessing they\'ll both be above average. :)
 

wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
If you can swing the money, horseback riding is a good hobby, I started giving riding lessons to my two nieces at age 5, but I owned a horse at the time.

I remember taking home envelopes with reports of my bad behavior from kindergarten ......I didn’t deal well with authority figures other then my parents.

But I put two and two together: take home envelope= spanking, so I tossed them in the trash.
 

evil tendencies

Cake or Death?
I\'m speaking from a teacher\'s perspective here, not a parent\'s, so take this for what its worth.

In my experience, kids like this need more stimulation. See what it would take to advance her a grade (and ignore the muffled laughter from the staff when you first suggest it). A private tutor to provide supplemental learning might be another possibility.

The suggestions here for non-academic activity are good ones. Students who are kept busy with extracurricular hobbies (and possibly two or three) tend to act out less in class. And there is no problem with pushing her - if you think she\'s too busy, you can always back off. Getting her hooked on something like this also gives you some leverage when disciplining her.

I don\'t know your financial situation, so you might have to look at family and friends with special skills to do this. Good luck, and congratulations. Kids like this can really make their parents proud.
 

Dragonsreach

Super Moderator
Staff member
Originally posted by wiccanpony
But I put two and two together: take home envelope= spanking, so I tossed them in the trash.
Oh the openings that statement gives.. lol

MPJ: Wow, hard situation mate.
Over here most education authorities have a \"Gifted and Talented\" program for kids, which should start in Primary schools. It\'s aimed at providing kids with educational programmes and stimuli without risking \"Burnout\". It\'s worth trying to find out what\'s available, even if it costs in time and effort.
 

RuneBrush

New member
Middle child syndrome :) But if she\'s at the higher education end of her peers then its possible that she has excess brain power that due to her age doesn\'t know how to express and ends up being slightly destructive. Not that I\'d class myself as being authorative on the subject - having no children of my own. Personally encourage her to find things that she enjoys doing, but try to not encourage anything that pushes her away from your family.

pete
 
Rune brush beat me to it..

Middle Child Syndrome.. She sees all the attention her older brother gets for having such good grades in school.. she sees the attention the baby gets for well being the baby.. so she feels left out. She seeks attention and gets it.. by acting out.

I\'m sure you don\'t realize you do it but I bet you heap praise on your oldest and gush about the baby. Until the baby was born she was the baby.. now shes just 2nd.

Spend some time just with her.. have a day just for her..let her know shes not 2nd best and I bet you see improvements with her attitude.

As a middle child myself I know exactly where you kid is coming from.

Now as others have said shes also probably pretty smart, so the mundane spell your name and print your alphabet might just be boring her stupid so shes getting bored and well bored children tend to get into trouble..not because they want to just because they can.
 

lizcam

New member
In some ways this is a curse but in many others this is a blessing. I come from a family (generations and generations) of teachers (one of my ancesters founded the first public school in America) and my suggestion is this.....

Push her as hard as you can. Get her through this boring stuff and find the level she SHOULD be at. Get her into a private tutoring program or something. We have Sylvan here in the states and it is wonderful. They do a range of tests and tell you where a child actually IS in learning not where the system says she should be. You have to get her stimulated or she\'ll hate school for the rest of her life. With kids like her the word is CHALLENGE! It has to be hard-ish or she\'ll act out the whole time.

Congrats and good luck. I hope she not more clever than you. That would be bad. You\'d never keep up with her.
 

waghorn41

Member
Know how you feel and it\'s difficult. But the advice given is good, find her an extra-curricular outlet to soak up that mental energy and also try to establish the level of education she should be getting. That\'s the difficult part. The establishment. usually don\'t want to be bothered.
 

Necroghast

New member
Yeah extracurricular activities are good- martial arts might be a good one.
In terms of at school I know 1st grade bored me to death (Ok class I have a piece of paper with pages from a little book on them, its your job to staple them together!! Oh to easy for you Casey? well you can color them too!) I went into the \"enrichment\" program at my school and there we learned about more interesting things like ancient greece and stuff. I started taking spanish in 2nd grade and Latin in 6th. So yeah, if shes smart, get her teachers to let her do smarter things!
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
If you can swing it, get her either into a gifted and talented program or out of the public school system (grab your wallet).

let me add my armchair diagnosis:
Bright middle child syndrome.

+1 to DFD & Runebrush.
 

PegaZus

Stealth Freak
Has she shown any interest in painting? If so, DISCOURAGE HER! I\'d hate to be taken to task by someone half Squig\'s age.

Now serious: Find her interest and feed it by the shovel full. Dinosaurs? Birds? Rocks? In this day and age, there\'s a museum for nearly everything, and I\'d bet you could start getting some of that excess energy channeled.

One final thing: Start discouraging hard on anybody calling her the problem child. If they start to hear it coming from family, then it must be true, so why not believe it and act on it? That\'s a negative feedback loop, and not good.
 

Aliengod3

Active member
Sounds like she needs a good hobby \"hint hint\".

The issue the psychologist brought up about your child is interesting, I have never heard of that. If it is true that is very exciting. I am not sure if taking her for individual sessions is appropriate. To me it sounds like the class she is already in is meant to help her develop a better behavior. Giving her individual sessions seems like it will cost alot given what you said about the pyschologists \"portfolio\".

Also if boredom really is the issue, is it possible to transfer her to a higher grade level? Go from 1st to 2nd?
 

MPJ

New member
I have considered private school, but with 3 kids it\'s just to much, I sent my boy to private primary (because of his birthday he would have been delayed a year at public school) and that was $6000 4 years ago. It\'s far from fair to send one but not the others, though I did bring that up to the psychologist and he thought that it would be no better only more expensive.

It\'s interesting to note (at least to me) that her first \'blue notice\' was for fighting over a book carousel, the second was for spitting on some other kid... Both pretty darn poor behavior. The third is where I start to think the school has her labelled as all she did was say \'ass\' in class, to be specific while sitting in a group circle she asked \"Can you see my ass?\". While bad language is not appropriate it would hardly warrant the harshest punishment short of suspension IMHO (and I did not punish her further at home for that one, only talked about the appropriateness of language). The last notice was another spitting incident but the other kid spit first.

I must shamefully admit that to a small degree she has always been my favorite (don\'t get me wrong, I love all my children very much). Yes I know parents should not have favorites and I don\'t treat her with any favoritism. Mostly because she reminds me so much of myself (we are the two black sheep of our family).

Anyway, thanks for all the kind words of support and what not. I\'ve been taking it all in. :drunk:
 

supervike

Super Moderator
I think you are on the right track. First off, by just discussing the problem. It\'s amazing how much clarity one can get for doing that.

Secondly, I know exactly what you mean by having a favorite. I love both my children very much, but I seem to \'understand\' my 2nd child most of all. She has so many of my traits, and I often knows how she feels in situtations before she tells me.


And lastly, I think Child Psychologists are ALOT like the voting on this site. They may be a good \'benchmark\' and may help, but they are in no way an accurate measure of the worth.

NO ONE knows your child like you and Mrs MPJ does. While it may be important to at least discuss with the psychologist, ultimately you make those decisions. What I\'m saying is, don\'t let someone guide you into something you don\'t believe.

Good luck!


PS...I am a middle child, and other than feeling completely overlooked my whole life, it\'s not had any affect on me. I\'m almost completely normal!
 

Naukhel

Active member
There\'s really no help for it. You\'ll just have to kill one of the children as an example to the others.

lol
 
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