Shawn R. L.
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Is the sculpting going to go downhill or are they simply going to still be great sculpts that come painted?
OMG! What are Rackham doing?!?!?!
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Avelorn
Sven Jonsson
They sell pretty well here afaik. And there was a lot of disappointment when I broke the news in our lgc. Many people have really developed the painting aspects of this hobby much because of Confrontation.. we have a lot of people that has really pushed their limits.
I think the selling of any line here is dependending on who starts with it. If the more experienced gamers in our local games club start collecting and raising an army, the younger ones do too in a while and they spread it to their smaller clubs. But I an important point is like many others have put forward is quality, people will continue with it here if the miniatures still are cool.
Or maybe they think it\'s that way.. living in an imagined computerised world like WOW half the day maybe gives the longing for something that you can actually hold in your hand. I might be wrong, but I think it\'s all about how you present your product I think. i don\'t feel kids are lazier around here now a days then they were before.
We had a discussion about this yesterday.. the points that came forward was that Rackham will have to compete with the really large companies that already have an established IP well known by most. To have faithful customers and to prevent Rackham to just become a fling the company will have to supply something very different to the market, but do they do that? I think they need some kind of \"way in\" a computergame or such. And how much will Rackham grow? Will the be able to take the inevitable backlash or will they do like many other companies, grow to death? We also had a discussion that these prepainted soldiers might be more suitable for large toycompaines as they need a lot of capital, quick ways to raise new profits and sure sellers to not sink under its own weight once the novelty of a new product is over.
I see this as a good thing.
As long as sculpt quality is kept up to par, then I can see this as a helpful shortcut, including for those folks who prefer to paint for themselves.
As soon as you buy them, they will be useable. Then you can take your time repainting each as you desire, but still have a completed army to play with. i really don\'t see any problem, aside from my own personal dislike of plastics.
As long as sculpt quality is kept up to par, then I can see this as a helpful shortcut, including for those folks who prefer to paint for themselves.
As soon as you buy them, they will be useable. Then you can take your time repainting each as you desire, but still have a completed army to play with. i really don\'t see any problem, aside from my own personal dislike of plastics.
No Such Agency
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That\'s actually not a bad point
/briefly pauses from making torches and sharpening pitchfork
Yes, reaper is doing a similer thing. As mentioned before it\'s the growing trend with miniature companies. however with Reaper they stated they have no intention of stopping their unpainted pewter lines of figures. instead they are offering prepainted plastic for the purpose of gamers in need of monsters instead of then having to buy a dozen skeletons and paintign them. That said the only real differance i can see between reaper\'s prepainted and WoTC and rackham\'s is that Reaper is the only one not making the plastic figures expressly for their own company\'s miniatures battle game. But... we shall see, we shall see.
No Such Agency
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Good, bad, wonderful, terrible....
OMG!
I can\'t decide on this...First of all I thought it spelled disaster, then I thought it was pure genius....
As long as they still produce some metal collectors editions I will be happy as I don\'t play anyway, but I can imagine the boost this will give to the playing community and that has to be a good thing
OMG!
I can\'t decide on this...First of all I thought it spelled disaster, then I thought it was pure genius....
As long as they still produce some metal collectors editions I will be happy as I don\'t play anyway, but I can imagine the boost this will give to the playing community and that has to be a good thing
That\'s the whole issue to me. I don\'t mind the material, only quality matters. And from what I saw of AT43 minis and the Paris GenCon previews, quality is nowhere close to what they used to achieve in metal.
As for the prepainted part, No Such Agency has a very strong point...
I never used to want pre-painted or minis painted by someone else, but now, with only limited time and a desire to start playing again, i find myself tempted by prepainted.
So as already mentioned, good quality minis that are prepainted, but that I can repaint myself in my own time are very appealing to me now. I can start playing immediatley and gradually repaint my army.
So as already mentioned, good quality minis that are prepainted, but that I can repaint myself in my own time are very appealing to me now. I can start playing immediatley and gradually repaint my army.
If GW and Privateer Press go to this, then I\'m going to be completely out of the hobby. I like to paint minis, but if they\'re going to take all the fun out of it, then what am I, and people like me, left with?
I hate prepaints. I will never collect a single one.
:cussing:
I guess I should just be happy that I\'m learning to sculpt.
I hate prepaints. I will never collect a single one.
:cussing:
I guess I should just be happy that I\'m learning to sculpt.
Nightshroud
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I don´t understand the meaning of ppp. I mean, you buy the bad and worthdecreasing painting right with the mini and have you full hobby halved. Did such companies really believe that the replacement of us painters and collectors with some kiddys, who play the game three times and change back to videogames is a real economic plan?
Everybody should boycott companies like Rackham, who steal us our hobby.
Everybody should boycott companies like Rackham, who steal us our hobby.
and yet, they want the jobs, because the money is something, and it can sustain a living over there. The problem is the country itself, not some company that wishes to give them work. If the whole situation was better, it wouldn\'t be a problem, but it is, and they\'re intelligent enough to take advantage of it. /rant
I\'m disappointed in this. Having figures to paint really makes me want to paint, and not having that motivation would probably discourage me from branching out so much...I never was good at large areas of blending until I picked up a Devourer or Orc from Rackham, but... well, we\'ll see, huh?
noneedforaname
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this sucks ass, if rackham had made more effort to improve access to there product and priced it more reasonabley than GW they would have been able to easily expand there market share doing what they do after all they dont have a retail chain to support cost wise.
Lowering quality is never a good idea.
Lowering quality is never a good idea.
Micha
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Well, I have to admit i have never painted any non-GW figures but I have seen them here. i honestly do not see the development of prepaint as a threat, I think there are still enough people willing to paint themselves to justify the production of unpainted stuff. on the other hand, there seems to be a market for prepaints, with the logical consequence that such figures appear on the shelves. That´s simple market logic and in no way a bad thing. Demand should be satisfied. So we can all calm down and go on enjoying the hobby.
oh, and I really don´t care about the worker´s conditions, I buy products solely out of reasons of quality and price, the rest is really not relevant to me. working regulations are up to the individual gouvernment and of no concern to me.
Micha
oh, and I really don´t care about the worker´s conditions, I buy products solely out of reasons of quality and price, the rest is really not relevant to me. working regulations are up to the individual gouvernment and of no concern to me.
Micha
It doesn\'t seem that the concern is about painted vs. pre-painted, or plastic vs. metal. Instead, it seems that the issue here is that Rackham, are taking this route. Rackham, who used to make the minis that mini-painters aspire to paint. Rackham, who raised standards on style and quality. How dare they do this to us?!? All our hopes and dreams pinned on Rackham, the GW-killer, and they\'ve slipped from grace, heedless to our cries for figurine justice. The bastards!
I have to say that I agree with Markus and Fynn. I don\'t see a problem with it as long as the quality stays high. I would love to play the games, but it takes forever for me to paint an army (hell I\'ve been painting my Warlord army for 3 years...) You can always strip them and repaint, or even just over paint them. I\'m not crazy about plastic, never have been, but I have to confess that when we\'re playing DnD I have a whole case of the WoTC minis that I use for the monsters, NPCs, etc.
I\'ll withhold any scathing remarks at Rackham until I get a chance to see the new minis. If they are shit, well, then that\'s another matter altogether....
) You can always strip them and repaint, or even just over paint them. I\'m not crazy about plastic, never have been, but I have to confess that when we\'re playing DnD I have a whole case of the WoTC minis that I use for the monsters, NPCs, etc. I\'ll withhold any scathing remarks at Rackham until I get a chance to see the new minis. If they are shit, well, then that\'s another matter altogether....
