I was thinking about a scene. But it incorporates some lighting effects(well the concept does), but every sample I saw of OSL was painted NMM, or there where no metalic parts and bitz involved. So here is my question, is it really necessary to paint lighting effects on NMM or can you do it on normal metalics?
OSL...... Just on NMM?
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I discussed a topic like this a while back
Hello,
I am trying to figure this out.
Honestly, most people do it on NMM cause you can control everything. THe bad, it doesn\'t IMHO look as realistic if you look at it from all angles (because it won\'t account for the lights in the room).
Now, regarding metallics.
Look at a car. Now point a flashlight on it at one part that is metal (ie. the rims). Now, have your friend walk around you but looking at the rim as he does so...since he is changing his point of view, he will see the light hitting the metal and reflecting from different angles. Now, imagine he had a light source on him (ie. a glowing shirt)...the light from the shirt would now also be reflecting on the rims. Both lights would.
Now if both of them stood still. You have metals with 2 light sources on the rims. If a car drove by with high beams on that aimed near or on the car, that reflection would also be on the rims.
THe point....you CAN paint light sourcing on pure metallics since in real life, you get that effect all the time when multiple cars or lights, etc all reflect off the same part of a metallic object.
The problem I see...(and I am by no means an expert), since it\'s metallic, the reflections appear much stronger (near white sometimes right at the center dependingon the source), etc. As well, you have to keep enough metal showing to reflect the room lights since in real life, unless the source is REALLY large, you don\'t see an entire metal object being drowned out by 1 light so that no other light sources can react with it. I am modding my grey knights dread which I want to do in metallics with ink washes to make it look dirty, battle hardeneed, etc but from the eyes and weapon, I want to add some lighting effects. So I want to figure this out fully to see how I can do this.
In effect...the miniature will have metal on it as you choose to paint it. THen, choose a single light source and paint the ligh tsourcing onto it. Now, any time your friends pick it up and rotate it in the room, the ceiling lights would in effect, act like the car in my above example (ie. people pointing lights at the rims, while a car drives by with lights pointing towards the car and thus, catching light on the rims).
Maybe I can\'t explain it well *cries* but I know that it is possible, since it does happen. BUt I think it\'s more difficult since the metallics are so bright in real life, reflections off them have to be done slightly differently than on NMM.
Sanjay
Hello,
I am trying to figure this out.
Honestly, most people do it on NMM cause you can control everything. THe bad, it doesn\'t IMHO look as realistic if you look at it from all angles (because it won\'t account for the lights in the room).
Now, regarding metallics.
Look at a car. Now point a flashlight on it at one part that is metal (ie. the rims). Now, have your friend walk around you but looking at the rim as he does so...since he is changing his point of view, he will see the light hitting the metal and reflecting from different angles. Now, imagine he had a light source on him (ie. a glowing shirt)...the light from the shirt would now also be reflecting on the rims. Both lights would.
Now if both of them stood still. You have metals with 2 light sources on the rims. If a car drove by with high beams on that aimed near or on the car, that reflection would also be on the rims.
THe point....you CAN paint light sourcing on pure metallics since in real life, you get that effect all the time when multiple cars or lights, etc all reflect off the same part of a metallic object.
The problem I see...(and I am by no means an expert), since it\'s metallic, the reflections appear much stronger (near white sometimes right at the center dependingon the source), etc. As well, you have to keep enough metal showing to reflect the room lights since in real life, unless the source is REALLY large, you don\'t see an entire metal object being drowned out by 1 light so that no other light sources can react with it. I am modding my grey knights dread which I want to do in metallics with ink washes to make it look dirty, battle hardeneed, etc but from the eyes and weapon, I want to add some lighting effects. So I want to figure this out fully to see how I can do this.
In effect...the miniature will have metal on it as you choose to paint it. THen, choose a single light source and paint the ligh tsourcing onto it. Now, any time your friends pick it up and rotate it in the room, the ceiling lights would in effect, act like the car in my above example (ie. people pointing lights at the rims, while a car drives by with lights pointing towards the car and thus, catching light on the rims).
Maybe I can\'t explain it well *cries* but I know that it is possible, since it does happen. BUt I think it\'s more difficult since the metallics are so bright in real life, reflections off them have to be done slightly differently than on NMM.
Sanjay
Valander
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Hmmm... now this is an interesting question. I haven\'t tried much OSL, but the little I have done has been on NMM. Now that I\'m getting back into metallics, though, I\'m sure I\'ll be hitting this question soon.
One thought is to try to utilize Vallejo Metallic Medium. This stuff is pretty neat; adds metal flake to whatever paint you want. This may help achieve an OSL effect on metallics, without losing the metallic part.
One thought is to try to utilize Vallejo Metallic Medium. This stuff is pretty neat; adds metal flake to whatever paint you want. This may help achieve an OSL effect on metallics, without losing the metallic part.
Valander
Member
Gods! I\'ve become totally predictable... 
(Takes two shots of Capt. Morgan\'s)
Yes, actually, tweening is probably a great way to do OSL. I haven\'t done much OSL, though, so I can\'t give any real pointers.
I can say, though, that Vallejo metallics work great with tweening.
Just to see how long I\'ve been babbling around here... this was the first time I mentioned tweening.
And, Nelson, aren\'t you supposed to be licking your big blue ball or something? :moon: lol
(Takes two shots of Capt. Morgan\'s)
Yes, actually, tweening is probably a great way to do OSL. I haven\'t done much OSL, though, so I can\'t give any real pointers.
I can say, though, that Vallejo metallics work great with tweening.
Just to see how long I\'ve been babbling around here... this was the first time I mentioned tweening.
And, Nelson, aren\'t you supposed to be licking your big blue ball or something? :moon: lol
Shawn R. L.
New member
I think OSL on NMM is possible. I think where the real problem woulld come in is trying to do chrome or SENMM. One way to find out...
Valander
Member
OSL on NMM is definitely possible (gee, enough acronyms around here?
). The question initially asked, before I started getting prompted into drinking and mentioning tweening was whether OSL could be done on regular metallics.But, as you say.... one way to find out!
And at that, I look forward to seeing your experimentations!
Shawn R. L.
New member
Post a WIP. This sounds like an interesting project.
QuietiManes
New member
I think the main reason most light effects are done on NMM is because NMM is the preferred way to paint \"metal\" for alot of the higher skilled painters. I.E. the painters who do things like light sourcing/effects. I mean, it\'s like a fad...keyword.
Aside from that, I doubt there\'s much reason to it.
Aside from that, I doubt there\'s much reason to it.
hmmm
I don\'t even think that\'s it...
I\'ve noticed with golden demon winners...the hardest competition to win in is considered France and Spain\'s GD competitions (according to even GW employees).
Many of their winning entries are metallic as opposed to NMM,
Even here, look at the Grey Knight\'s dread in the top 10.
In fact, I know many are more impressed by good metallics done with washes, etc than with NMM...
oh well maybe just us.
Sanjay
I don\'t even think that\'s it...
I\'ve noticed with golden demon winners...the hardest competition to win in is considered France and Spain\'s GD competitions (according to even GW employees).
Many of their winning entries are metallic as opposed to NMM,
Even here, look at the Grey Knight\'s dread in the top 10.
In fact, I know many are more impressed by good metallics done with washes, etc than with NMM...
oh well
maybe just us.Sanjay
