OT.....Pubs

wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
:D oh you Brits :beer:lol


By Peter Jackson
BBC News

Pubs in one town in north-west England could introduce organised queuing. It\'s a drastic solution to what can seem to be a mysterious art - getting served at a busy bar.
Britain may be a nation of queuers, but the thought of lining up in an orderly fashion at a bar is enough to turn many a drinker\'s beer flat. But that\'s what patrons of busy town centre pubs in Oldham may find themselves doing if plans for post office-style queues go ahead to deter trouble.
For the rest of us, getting served at a heaving bar remains a challenge born out of frustration. So what\'s the secret to having good bar presence? Here\'s 10 points to bear in mind next time you find yourself in a crush at the bar.
1. THE ROLL-AROUND

Better men have been ruined by the experience
Before you even get the chance to prop yourself within ordering distance of the frenetic bar staff, you need to reach the bar itself. In a teeming hostelry where the throng of eager drinkers can be five deep, that\'s no mean task. Some snake a hand through the crowd and draw themselves in, others wait until the person in front has ordered, then try to roll around them to claim their space. The latter technique requires \"cunning, anticipation and skill\", observes seasoned pub-goer Matt Eley. He should know - as a reporter for the industry newspaper The Publican he spends more time in licensed venues than most.
2. MAKE EYE CONTACT
Just as pubs subvert the British rules on forming an orderly line, so they do when it comes to meeting a stranger\'s eyes - a near-treasonous act in most spheres of public life. As duty manager of Wetherspoons\' Time Piece pub in Dewsbury, Gemma Barua, 26, knows a thing or two about being on the other side of a heaving bar. \"Always try to catch people\'s eyes,\" is her number one rule. \"We try to acknowledge people when they\'re waiting. We know it\'s frustrating. If you catch my eye and smile nicely I will remember,\" she says. Mr Eley suggests finding a spot near the till to boost that all important eye contact opportunity.
3. TO FLIRT OR NOT TO FLIRT?

Getting a pint in a crowded pub can appear to be a dark art
For Jon Howard, of the Campaign for Real Ale (Camra), the secret to getting served is... send someone else up, if it\'s a man taking the orders. A seductive flicking of blonde hair is guaranteed to arrest the barman\'s attention, he believes. Not so, says Richard Grant, of the White Swan pub in Richmond, Surrey. Women who lean over the bar to flirt rarely get served quicker. \"We know they don\'t want anything else apart from drinks. I\'m too old to be wooed by someone trying to flatter me,\" says the 36-year-old general manager.
4. NO COIN TAPPERS
Tapping coins on the bar, shouting \"me next, me next\", or just barking your order are effective ways to get noticed and ignored at the same time, says Ms Barua. \"For some reason coin tapping grates on me more than anything else, the others are easier to ignore.\" Whistling or finger clicking are no better, says Mr Grant. \"We\'re not dogs.\"
5. PLAY MIND GAMES

Where the \'let someone else go in front\' trick backfires
Here\'s one subtle, calculated technique that can be highly effective, as Mr Eley, of The Publican, explains. \"When the bartender is scanning the sea of eager faces at the bar and trying to work out who is next, point to the person next to you,\" he says. \"They will get served and then usually you will be next, the bar staff having acknowledged your impeccable etiquette.\" Ms Barua agrees, believing that it\'s a way of rewarding someone who has been helpful.
6. NOTE WAVERS BEWARE
It may be quieter than coin tapping, but waving a banknote under the gaze of the bartender is destined to have the opposite effect on weary bar staff. Just listen to Ms Barua: \"People try to wave notes at you across the bar and that\'s not the way to get served, folks. If money is waved in my face I\'m tempted to take it off them and pretend to put it in the charity box to give a subtle hint.\" Barman Russell Grainger, 21, of Ascot, Berkshire, confesses to feeling irritated at the sight of a thrust-out tenner. \"It\'s kind of \'this is my money and I want to be served now\',\" he says.
7. TBR: TRADITIONAL BRITISH RESERVE
Silence can be golden when it comes to effective bar etiquette. Mr Grainger says he dislikes people who make \"nasty comments\" from behind the bar about how long they\'ve been waiting. And Ms Barua struggles to find the funny side of all those \"I\'m dying of thirst\" murmurs. It may sound jokey but she often detects a more sinister undertone - that she\'s not working fast enough.
8. OFFER A SWEETENER

Offer a sweetener... though check who is serving first
Loyalty and politeness will get you a long way, says pub manager Mr Grant. But the best ploy by a long chalk is a simple three word phrase: \"Have one yourself.\" Bar workers now are often dissuaded from drinking on the job - but instead will take the money as a gratuity. Given the price of a pint nowadays, that\'s not a bad tip. Camra\'s Jon Howard speaks from experience when he confirms it\'s one sure way to be remembered.
9. AVOID RUSH HOUR
As with so many things, timing is key, says Mr Howard. If standing at the bar puts you in mind of the Harrods\' sale you might be encountering the licensed trade\'s equivalent of rush hour. People tend to visit the pub half-an-hour, an hour or two hours before closing, he says. So turning up at, say, 10 past the hour could be effective.
10. CONSIDER SWITCHING VENUES
If you don\'t like the sound of Oldham\'s plan for orderly queuing, there are more unusual ways to avoid waiting. One village pub in East Sussex allows regulars to pour their own pints at the side of the bar and put their payment in an \"honesty box\". IT company MyQbuster invented a system allowing drinkers to order through a mobile phone from their seats, with orders automatically appearing on the touch screen till at the bar.
And if all these pointers fail you the next time you land in a bustling tavern - maybe it\'s time to go on the wagon.
 

Shawn R. L.

New member
Problem solved!


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ScottRadom

Shogun of Saskatchewan
I\'m with Shawn on this one. I used to be a man who enjoyed the throng of a good bar, but as 30 started knocking on the door I found I sought the less crowded venues. When 30 started to wave goodbye at me in the rearview mirror I found the beer on my Comfy Chair(tm) to be the most sought after reward.

There was a time when I really dug on the buzz you get from being in a disorderly state with a great number of the general public. As I get/got older I find that the more people I see at that dastardly age of \"younger then me\" at the bar I find my fist\'s really get itchy. Who new you could be so grumpy at 32?
 

Amazon warrior

New member
Awwww! Pub \"queueing\" is the closest thing us Brits have to a sport that we\'re actually good at! Plus it gives us the wonderful, highly amusing spectacle of foreigners trying to figure out the system (and failing). Not for us the sterile \"ordering at the table\", so beloved of the whole of the rest of the world! :cussing:

*breathes* Seriously, one of the things I really miss when away is a good British pub with its highly logical illogicality. And bacon. Miss the bacon, too. :drool:
 

DarkStar

New member
Typically speaking, at least in my 20\'s, you\'d have been drinking enough during the day on the sidewalks and parks that it doesn\'t bother you to jostle around late at night for a few drinks in some nameless hole, that\'s half the fun.

Now in my mid 30\'s? The only line I wait in for a drink is if my cat is standing in front of the fridge.
 

wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
didn\'t want to start another OT thread so I\'ll add this link here

happy egg day;):p

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Infidel Castro

New member
Firstly, I have no idea what OT means, other than possibly Old Testament. Can someone please clear that up for me.

Secondly, calling any Wetherspoons a pub is a fallacy. A Wetherspoons ale house is the equivalent of McDonalds in the food world: utter shite at cheaper prices than \'proper\' eateries. I would rather piss on a pensioner than drink in a Wetherspoons.

Thirdly, pubs are great and I love them. And I love the banter at a bar, the camaraderie of the thirsty mob as we wait for serving, trying every trick in the book to get a beer whilst keeping the respect of bar staff and fellow drinkers. Absolute politeness is key, as is developing a \'local\' so that the staff favour you in a busy melee. Pubs are the lifeblood of the community :D
 

freakinacage

Well-known member
@bill :p

have one yourself, and saying he\'s next are 2 great weapons in the aresenal. work every time
@rev. generally i would agree with you about wetherspoons. souless. however, our local at home has some good staff and some good local ales that they rotate through. the exception that proves the rule?
 

wiccanpony

Official Freak Bar Witch
:D OT= Off Topic.......for those who complain that the subject matter isn’t about minis, then they don’t have to waste their valuable time reading the thread
 

waghorn41

Member
A favourite pub of mine was where if the barman was busy he used to tell me to get behind the bar and help myself !
 
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