Paint ... patriotically!
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mickc22
Granddad!
Well I guess I\'d have to do something Australian, as I grew up there. I\'ve got a few mini\'s from Pearce Miniatures
I\'ve started the \'woodchopper\' it\'s on their \'up & coming\' page so I guess I should get round to finishing it off really
.......it\'s in the que, what can I say
My sister did their website btw
I\'ve started the \'woodchopper\' it\'s on their \'up & coming\' page so I guess I should get round to finishing it off really
.......it\'s in the que, what can I sayMy sister did their website btw
E
E-Arkham
Guest
The use of religious and/or political statement in miniature painting as a good or ill thing is dependant really on what an individual considers that work to be. If one thinks of it as art, such as with high end display pieces, then such statements, if properly handled, can often be apt. If you\'re merely slapping a few symbols on a squad for gaming because it\'s \"kEwL\" then there is no statement to be had, and the entire impression this gives rides on the merits (or unsavory nature) of the symbol itself.
Where the lines are between beauty, vulgarity, art, and satire (or simply: painted toy) is a matter of semantics. I\'ve always found such arguments a bit silly because of the broadness of the definitions. These lines are always drawn based on individual preference, whether learned or reactionary. No absolutes exist.
For example, a display piece consisting of GW Imperial Guardsmen painted in historically accurate World War II colours and arranged in a trench warfare diorama can be as powerful as any museum quality work. The main difference is the models\' intended purpose as gaming pieces (and therefore would have inaccuracies in equipment, and so forth) but the potency of the message could still be impressive.
On the other hand, a group of Space Marines with confederate flags on their shoulder pads and Budweisers in their hands is something I\'d find pointless and tasteless regardless of the quality of the work. It has no merit in its own right and no message; it\'s solely done to elicit responses based on the symbols alone.
However, I do believe it\'s possible to incorporate either religious or political statements and elements successfully within a miniature work. Certainly the majority of such attempts fall short, and it\'s debatable if anyone has actually succeeded in doing so thus far with the gaming ranges of miniatures, but I don\'t believe it\'s out of place for folks to attempt it if that\'s what floats their boat. After all, it\'s quite common to have such displays at museums -- albeit they\'re not Games Workshop, Reaper, Confrontation, etc productions, but using miniatures is practically the status quo. Moving into the more accessible pewter seems a natural extension.
Eh, but I\'m really waxing on this far longer than I intended. Just in one of my philosophical/analytical moods.
Personally, I avoid patriotic colours on my miniatures. It\'s like using greens and reds can result in an unwanted, unintended Christmas-y feel to a figure if you\'re not careful (yeah, those Khorne guys are ALL ABOUT Santa). When I start drifting towards patriotic colour combinations, I have the same need to rework the figure toward alternate shades. It\'s unlikely I\'d ever feel the urge to paint a specifically patriotic miniature for its own sake.
-Kep
Where the lines are between beauty, vulgarity, art, and satire (or simply: painted toy) is a matter of semantics. I\'ve always found such arguments a bit silly because of the broadness of the definitions. These lines are always drawn based on individual preference, whether learned or reactionary. No absolutes exist.
For example, a display piece consisting of GW Imperial Guardsmen painted in historically accurate World War II colours and arranged in a trench warfare diorama can be as powerful as any museum quality work. The main difference is the models\' intended purpose as gaming pieces (and therefore would have inaccuracies in equipment, and so forth) but the potency of the message could still be impressive.
On the other hand, a group of Space Marines with confederate flags on their shoulder pads and Budweisers in their hands is something I\'d find pointless and tasteless regardless of the quality of the work. It has no merit in its own right and no message; it\'s solely done to elicit responses based on the symbols alone.
However, I do believe it\'s possible to incorporate either religious or political statements and elements successfully within a miniature work. Certainly the majority of such attempts fall short, and it\'s debatable if anyone has actually succeeded in doing so thus far with the gaming ranges of miniatures, but I don\'t believe it\'s out of place for folks to attempt it if that\'s what floats their boat. After all, it\'s quite common to have such displays at museums -- albeit they\'re not Games Workshop, Reaper, Confrontation, etc productions, but using miniatures is practically the status quo. Moving into the more accessible pewter seems a natural extension.
Eh, but I\'m really waxing on this far longer than I intended. Just in one of my philosophical/analytical moods.
Personally, I avoid patriotic colours on my miniatures. It\'s like using greens and reds can result in an unwanted, unintended Christmas-y feel to a figure if you\'re not careful (yeah, those Khorne guys are ALL ABOUT Santa). When I start drifting towards patriotic colour combinations, I have the same need to rework the figure toward alternate shades. It\'s unlikely I\'d ever feel the urge to paint a specifically patriotic miniature for its own sake.
-Kep
yrret
Member
American Pie
2 bits.
1. I like to have sort of a \"Captain America\" feel for some of my super hero stuff. I also enjoy painting some old west things, and some american revolution stuff.
2. My wife is German, and her mom was over visiting (she speaks no english) and we went to a Indian wedding. It is against the law in germany actually to display a swastika.
We entered the house and in the entryway was a 5 foot wide swastika on the wall that was made by wiping some kind of red berry on it.
It pretty much looked like a giant blood smeared swastika.
That was an awkward moment.
2 bits.
1. I like to have sort of a \"Captain America\" feel for some of my super hero stuff. I also enjoy painting some old west things, and some american revolution stuff.
2. My wife is German, and her mom was over visiting (she speaks no english) and we went to a Indian wedding. It is against the law in germany actually to display a swastika.
We entered the house and in the entryway was a 5 foot wide swastika on the wall that was made by wiping some kind of red berry on it.
It pretty much looked like a giant blood smeared swastika.
That was an awkward moment.
Braveheart712
New member
Back to Margo\'s topic
Margo, I think it\'s wonderful that some Americans actually still have some pride left. I think its a wonderful idea that you plan on painting some historical minis, with your talent I can\'t wait to see the results. I have had similar ideas, I wanted to paint the artillery and infantry companies of the American Civil War in which my great, great, great grandfather and his brother served, but much like most projects it is stuck in limbo on the \"To Do\" list.
Just to chime in on the \"great\" swastika debate. It was originally a Hindu symbol stolen by the boys in brown. In a historical context it is appropriate to use when painting German WW2 models, but in any other context it is just a symbol that inspires hatred, and should not be used. In my opinion, if an artist has to resort to shock value to get you to look at his work, maybe it just isn\'t work looking at to begin with. Robert Maplethrope is a great example whose only \"creativity\" comes from his ability to shock and sicken people. Don\'t sink to this level, most all the painters here have far too much talent to waste it away using shock value to interest you in viewing their work.
Margo, I think it\'s wonderful that some Americans actually still have some pride left. I think its a wonderful idea that you plan on painting some historical minis, with your talent I can\'t wait to see the results. I have had similar ideas, I wanted to paint the artillery and infantry companies of the American Civil War in which my great, great, great grandfather and his brother served, but much like most projects it is stuck in limbo on the \"To Do\" list.
Just to chime in on the \"great\" swastika debate. It was originally a Hindu symbol stolen by the boys in brown. In a historical context it is appropriate to use when painting German WW2 models, but in any other context it is just a symbol that inspires hatred, and should not be used. In my opinion, if an artist has to resort to shock value to get you to look at his work, maybe it just isn\'t work looking at to begin with. Robert Maplethrope is a great example whose only \"creativity\" comes from his ability to shock and sicken people. Don\'t sink to this level, most all the painters here have far too much talent to waste it away using shock value to interest you in viewing their work.
Patriotically Dutch
Hi,
as I mentioned in my post I was working on a Dutch themed figure which I couldn\'t show yet since it was for a special event. Well, event has passed, so I can show it now. This is the figure I meant:
A Dutch fantasy football werewolf in traditional Volendam dress (well, without the cap that is), clogs and protective gear. The thing he\'s wielding is an \"Amsterdammertje\". The steel poles you see everwhere in Amsterdam. As to that cigarette, well .....
Ok, who\'s next with what country?
Bye, Ming-Hua
P.s. on the shoulderpieces: windmill on one side, tulip on the other.
Hi,
as I mentioned in my post I was working on a Dutch themed figure which I couldn\'t show yet since it was for a special event. Well, event has passed, so I can show it now.
This is the figure I meant:
A Dutch fantasy football werewolf in traditional Volendam dress (well, without the cap that is), clogs and protective gear. The thing he\'s wielding is an \"Amsterdammertje\". The steel poles you see everwhere in Amsterdam. As to that cigarette, well .....
Ok, who\'s next with what country?
Bye, Ming-Hua
P.s. on the shoulderpieces: windmill on one side, tulip on the other.
freakinacage
Well-known member
Originally posted by EricJ
wait, the Netherlands is filled with rugby playing werewolves?!
Awesome sculpt, and I agree with margo\'s point as well.
no, fantasy football playing werewolves in traditional costume. pay attention now!!
SaxonAngel
nada
My two cents Canadian
It isn\'t my best , eh. But I finally did this one that has been rolling around my desk for a couple of years. The maple leaf is rather sloppy, but it beats stripping the damned thing because there are too many layers of paint. Besides it\'s one for the games table. Maybe I\'ll do better next time.
I was going to post her on Canada Day (July 1st)
:innocent:
It isn\'t my best , eh. But I finally did this one that has been rolling around my desk for a couple of years. The maple leaf is rather sloppy, but it beats stripping the damned thing because there are too many layers of paint. Besides it\'s one for the games table. Maybe I\'ll do better next time.
I was going to post her on Canada Day (July 1st)
:innocent:
i believe i got there first, (well i probably wasnt\' but i\'m not arguing with myself!)
anyhoo heres what they wear on a friday night in gatehead patriotic girlie did i mention that it was my first sculptoo? well there then!
anyhoo heres what they wear on a friday night in gatehead patriotic girlie did i mention that it was my first sculptoo? well there then!
Much better than if you wanted to play Canadian bacon, listen to ice hockey & eat Bryan Adams
lolNow, me too in all seriousness: Vikes right. The hair is great. I wish my neat attempts at painting were half as good as your messy ones, Angela. Nice to see you back gracing tehse pages.
Infidel Castro
New member
It\'s gonna cause a kerfuffle, but here goes...
A friend of mine did this:
Well, it made me laugh a little. He says we\'re nationalistic and he may be right, but we aren\'t quite this bad.
PUT ASIDE YOUR PREJUDICES AND JUST HAVE A GOOD OLD LAUGH!
A friend of mine did this:
Well, it made me laugh a little. He says we\'re nationalistic and he may be right, but we aren\'t quite this bad.
PUT ASIDE YOUR PREJUDICES AND JUST HAVE A GOOD OLD LAUGH!
