Painting Class.....Skin up with Klute

ipaintminis

Active member
im working on mine now...will have it posted shortly...anatora, is that first mini a sandra garritty (sp) sculpt?

mark, does the next step involve lips? ive never been really good at them and dont know where to start for those....:D
 
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Anatora

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@Becca
You are right. It is actually Alura, Succubus (had to look it up), but I decided not to use the wings and GS\'ed in the holes with \"hair\". I found her in a box of old painted minis that I had traded for 2 or 3 years ago and recently stripped. After all the prep work for this class, I found the reason she was in the box...bad sculpt in face.:(
 

Klute

New member
Hi again.


@Ritual.......thats bloody cheating I say:D
Seriously......I dont know about you lot but I specifically chose what I but so it will make painting easier.Not really one eyed minis,,,,but say Rackham for instance...I find all that filligree a pain in the but and boring so I dont tend to get the stuff.
Anyway Anders perfect eye,very clean and neat.I have to say though that is one manly looking face:eek:Nice solid base too.

@Gothicwolf........Hi ....fantasic to see this thread has promted you to get invilved in the forums.
Your original figure looks good in places but rough in others.The skin on the first one looks pretty good apart from the belly area which only looks to have 1 highlight transition.The eye in view looks very neat and clean,a good clue you have enough brush control to do well.
The new one has a good basecoat and the eye looks pretty good from the close up,which isnt very good;)
One tip though on the and this is for everyone.With experience you will find you can do eyes without much touching up but heres a tip using Gothicwolf\'s witch.

When you do the whites it is not important to get the eyeball perfect.When you have done the white,use your basecoat to reshape the whites to the correct size and to match up the shape and size of both eyes.
Im at the point myself where I can do this using the eyeliner but using basecoat means you can leave the eyeliner off all together if you are not comfortable with it.
Heres a quick pic of what I would do with Gothicwolf\'s.

witch.jpg

As you can see it shapes the eye better and cuts down on the goggle eye look:eek:


@Gothicwolf.......if you missed my post earlier then take no notice if I sound a bit big headed etc.Im just trying to keep things simple and wouldn\'t want you scared off by me being an arsehole:D


@Becca....yes I will do lips.Not that its a big thing but yes:DI do them after the skin is finished becuase by then I have decided hair colour and skin tone and do the lips to suit.

@Anatora.......much smoother.It will make a difference believe me.



Next steps tonight......I think things are going well and it seems to be working with people catching up and stuff.
I will post all the steps to finishing the skin,becuase you dont really want gaps between layers do you.:D
That would be boring.
After that,,,,,lips,nipples,fingernails,hair(yes that involves the ladygarden)
That will be it.I will post a pic of the finished figure on the base and have a Q+A session.
I will compile everything into an article for here and the Forum of Doom and my site of course.Im doing the Akanke figure too at the moment with black skin,which will turn into an article at some time.Lots of gold nmm on that one hopefully.

And then a bloody long rest.
 

ipaintminis

Active member
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID EYES! i normally have no problem with them atall....stupid sculpt. he tried to give them eyelashes, ended up putting a raised line in the middle of the eye....not....good.
im almost there, had to take out the aforementioned line and such...

@vike- hey, as long as teachers pet gets an A im fine with that lol
 

Klute

New member
@Mosch+Sakura........the eye detail looks fine enough but the figure looks rough as hell.I have had loads of HF minis and never had a cast thats rough.
Let me know what paint you use etc,also you could be picking stuff up when drying your brush???

Its imperative that for figures like this where there isnt much to break up the skin surfaces that the figure is as smooth as possible.
 

Ritual

New member
Originally posted by Klute
@Ritual.......thats bloody cheating I say:D
Seriously......I dont know about you lot but I specifically chose what I but so it will make painting easier.Not really one eyed minis,,,,but say Rackham for instance...I find all that filligree a pain in the but and boring so I dont tend to get the stuff.
Anyway Anders perfect eye,very clean and neat.I have to say though that is one manly looking face:eek:Nice solid base too.
Hehe, call me a masochist but I actually like painting filigree! And I agree: she\'s not exactly pretty, but she\'ll rip your heart out and feed it to you in a second! :D
 

marineboy

New member
Okay, got my homework done! Here\'s my big (and baaaad, sorry!) wip pics:

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The first two are Reaper mins, Dame of Nightmares and Demon Warrior. The last one is a WOTC Genie, an ME3 mini from Anatora. The first Reaper has skin done with GW Bestial Brown as a basis, the other and the genie have skin done wiht Vallejo Bronze Fleshtone as a basis, mixed with GW Catachan Green and Shadow Grey.

The Reaper minis had only one eye between them to detail, so I took the genie along, two good, rather large eyes. Never been a big fan of the \"wide-eyed\" look on painted minis, but now I find that that\'s what I\'m painting, lol! I\'ll try to detail the eyes better so that they look narrower.. Also, I\'ll try and find out how to do better pics, along with closeups.

What time is class starting tonite, teach?:D
 
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Anatora

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Gee, Jerome. Nice job, but where are the eyes? *squints real hard* They do have eyes, don\'t they? Gotta show the eyes like all the rest of us. Don\'t be afraid... Just one little picture of the eyes..come on..don\'t be shy:)
 

marineboy

New member
lol! Yes, Ann, they do have eyes...well, the one Reaper does. The other has simple slits modelled instead of eyeballs, I started by painting them white, but ended up doing a dark wash in the eye cavities on that one.

I\'ll get some closeups of the existing eye on the other Reaper fig (the dark one) and on your wonderful genie, how am I going to do that smoke?!!!???:D
 

Klute

New member
OK here we go again.


STAGE 2.........GLAZING THE SKIN HIGHLIGHTS

First off Im going to show you a picture showing the consistancy of the paint I am using for this.I would say this is 30/70 paint/water with a brush tip of flow enhancer.

wash.jpg


As you can see it is very thin.When using this as a glaze dip your brush tip in and remove the excess on a towel.What you want is to use it to tone the basecoat not pool on a wash.

So first mix is 50/50 tanned flesh/elf flesh.Dilute this as mentioned above.
Start layering this on pretty much all over.What you will find is that the glaze just say tones the layer underneath and doesnt go on to the brightness of the glaze itself as it is on the pallette.
Keep layering these glazes on but reducing the area you do according to the high points of the figure.
You will get to a point where the top glazes on the figure are near to the mix on the pallete.
Your figure should look something like this,no2

concwip2.jpg



The next mix is pure elf flesh diluted to a glaze...ie.30/70 paint/water with a touch of enhancer.
Apply the glaze as before reducing the surface area each time until you have no.3.

concwip3.jpg



Next we have 50/50 elf flesh/skull white mixed for a glaze.
Apply the glaze as before reducing the surface area each time until you have no.4.

concwip4.jpg


Next 30/70 elf flesh/skull white mixed to glaze.
Apply the glaze as before reducing the surface area each time until you have no.5.

concwip5.jpg


The next step is a wash to tie all the glazes in and redefine some shadows.For this I have used a wash of tanned flesh about 10/90 paint/water with flow enhancer.
Dont just pool this on but take care and use the wash like the glazes to tone the shadows more.no 6.

concwip6.jpg


After you have done this use your last glaze 30/70 elf flesh/skull white to touch up any highlights and areas you think you might have dulled down too much.



OK thats enough for now.Next I will do hair,lips,nails oh and her nipples.

Have fun.
 

Sakura

New member
I don\'t know what the problem is, normaly my minis aren\'t that rough, but normaly I don\'t thin down my paints.
I use vallejo gamecolours. Sometimes I have small fibre strands on the brush or minis, but I take care to remove them.
 

gothicwolf

New member
thanks @Klute for the comments,

hehe.. please comment, mould me shape me! ok that sounds wierd!!! lol

i have (As attached altered the eye to bring more inline with the example pic..

dewitch5.jpg


Also set a mini studio for photographing so i should get better close ups now! heh

looking forward to the next step!

yey got some acrylic flow improver! hehe cant wait to try that out too! *bounces* hehe
 

Klute

New member
@Sakura......its funny and I am in a minority but when I have tried vallego paints I get exactly what you have there.I put it down to the paint drying as Im applying it??
Always thin your paint.Be carefull when using paper towels etc for picking up fibres.

@Gothicwolf.....eye is loads better.
 

supervike

Super Moderator
arm up for a question...

Klute, i notice there is no green or grey added to these mixes (as was in the first mix on stage one). Is this because the \'elf flesh\' helps tone the pinkness down? Or do we now want a bit of pink to come through?
 

Klute

New member
@Supervike.
Quite right....I left the other colours out for clarity.To be honest they didn\'t need to be in the basecoat.The elf flesh does take the pinkness away.
 

gothicwolf

New member
first atempt, i think is a failure! Goes to wear dunce\'s hat in corner!

ok heres my attempt at skin! i think i need way more practice,

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WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH hehe

witchskin.jpg


witchskin2.jpg


i think i need help!

paint was thinned, small ammounts of flow stuff on tip of brush!
 

Etherion

New member
Ok here I go... not 100% satisfied, but i guess its ok for such a small mini...

First couple steps: Highlights


wip03a.jpg


Main Problem encountered: The thin glaze, just like a wash, pooles where you take of the brush and if you are not carefull it also runs into recesses... Arrrgh. Too much or too few water? If i take less water i get a nontransparent color and paint highlights to strong, which is also not what we aim for... (also i dont have a paintsmoothingmedium) Since the paint pools or leaves rings i got some dimples on her skin, we din\'t discuss \"aging\" the skin either. :p

Ok next few steps, toning down:

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Helped to salvage the realy messy spots and even things out a bit. Same problem: pooling paint darkened parts to heavy so i had to re-highlight and then re-tonedown again. Sometimes I had to do this multiple times. *puff, puff*

Next time I will use a bigger mini maybe i can learn to control the color better on larger surfaces.
 

Klute

New member
@Gothicwolf......it looks like you have done too much of the figure with the lightest tone.As your paint gets lighter layer on smaller areas.

@Etherion......yes it looks like you need a flow enhancer,essential for glazes.
Use a drop of washing up liquid/dish soap/fairy liquid in your mixing water.This has the same effect though not as good or convenient.The second pics are better,the wash has smoothed things out,just need to re glaze the highlights.Go back and forth as many times as needed.

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