Picture of the Helm of Russ?
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As the Primarchs were meant to be giants even amongst other marines by rights Russ\' helm would be too big to wear.
That\'s another thing that always got me. The Lion Helm carried by the watcher from the DA range is A. too small to fit a Primarch and B. A Mk VII helmet, an armour type that was only introduced after the Heresy.
I can\'t recall a single picture where Russ is actually wearing a helmet. You could always try doing one like the helmet pictured on the wolf commander on here.
That\'s another thing that always got me. The Lion Helm carried by the watcher from the DA range is A. too small to fit a Primarch and B. A Mk VII helmet, an armour type that was only introduced after the Heresy.
I can\'t recall a single picture where Russ is actually wearing a helmet. You could always try doing one like the helmet pictured on the wolf commander on here.
Good point. It could just be like heraldry. For instance if a knight\'s coat of arms is a Golden lion a simplified engraving on a coin is still his coat of arms. Maybe the helms for Chapter masters just have to adhere to a set design and the thing that gives them their effect is like the shard of the emperor\'s armour inside all of the Crux terminatus\'.
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Russ coudl have actually worn a slain Fenrisian wolf pelt with skull attached like what Ulrik is seen with. the skull could have looked like a helmet or making him look more like a wolf. and from the scale of the wolves from WFB it seems likely a wolves skull could make for a mask of sorts that would resemble a helmet.
not sure about Russ cubs as i never got aroudn to getting him or them two of them or if they are even to scale....
but i think its more likely to be symbolic that physical helmet unless it was a wolves pelt worn atop his head like Logan Grimnar has looming over his head.
the lion helm i can see so think it is a tangible physical object thanks to the helm bearer. or at least it is one now whether its the real one or not.
and how in the world does the emperors armon shards get into every one of these things? he must have a LOT of armor and needs it replaced very often or these shards are more likely to be splinters/shavings of his armor.
not sure about Russ cubs as i never got aroudn to getting him or them two of them or if they are even to scale....
but i think its more likely to be symbolic that physical helmet unless it was a wolves pelt worn atop his head like Logan Grimnar has looming over his head.
the lion helm i can see so think it is a tangible physical object thanks to the helm bearer. or at least it is one now whether its the real one or not.
and how in the world does the emperors armon shards get into every one of these things? he must have a LOT of armor and needs it replaced very often or these shards are more likely to be splinters/shavings of his armor.
Even Primarchs need to breathe so Russ must have worn a pressurised helmet when they were doing battle in airless environments.
I don\'t think the Emperor has much need for his armour any more as he\'s kind of stuck on the Golden Commode, a bit like that woman who spent two years on the bog... Anyway the Crux Terminatus is only meant to contain a fragment so it could be a very small piece indeed.
I don\'t think the Emperor has much need for his armour any more as he\'s kind of stuck on the Golden Commode, a bit like that woman who spent two years on the bog... Anyway the Crux Terminatus is only meant to contain a fragment so it could be a very small piece indeed.
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Shadzar
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your fluff knowledge and simple reasonig complicates everyting these days 40k related. lol
but i guess its true. the minis without ful helmets might still need them for other areas.
so i wonder which mini or era of mini might has the helm, Undave? which armor style would it be, Mk??
but i guess its true. the minis without ful helmets might still need them for other areas.
so i wonder which mini or era of mini might has the helm, Undave? which armor style would it be, Mk??
Per the Space Wolves codex, the helm worn by Ulrik is indeed the Wolf Helm of Russ.
Not sure where the idea that Primarchs were so much larger than regular marines got started but I find it a bit silly.
Anyway, the picture posted in the thread is accurate. You might be able to remove it from an Ulrik mini, but I don\'t think it would be an easy task...
~Eric
Not sure where the idea that Primarchs were so much larger than regular marines got started but I find it a bit silly.
Anyway, the picture posted in the thread is accurate. You might be able to remove it from an Ulrik mini, but I don\'t think it would be an easy task...
~Eric
HighLordUlrik
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Wolf Hem Or Russ Form The Space Wolf Codex \"Wolf Helm Of Russ : This is one the the Space Wolves\' most reveared artefacts and it said ot have been worn by Russ him self. Which Great Company Receives the honor of useing the helm is decided once every hundred years, at the great feast of Russ. At this feast, champions from each of the Great Companies compete in a series of increasingly dangerous contests. The last contestant standing wins the Wolf Helm for his Great Company. The Helm was last won by Ragnar Blackmane, who presented it to his mentor. In game terms, the Wolf Helm has the same effect as a holy relic(see Codex: Sapce Marines)\" There you go I honestaly hope that helps a little bit haha.
From the fluff primarchs were supposed to be at most between a foot and two feet taller than a marine in terminator armour. But the primarchs all varied in size some being taller. proportionally they wouldn\'t have been to dissimilar to any other astartes. especially the most revered ones, azreal and ulrik pre-mentioned
also i still think Russ wouldnt wear a helmet as most primarchs were immune to practically all conditions
also i still think Russ wouldnt wear a helmet as most primarchs were immune to practically all conditions
hamhamlunchbox
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ulrik is actually wearing russ\' helmet.every 100 years they decide hows goin to wear it.ragnar gave it to his mentor,ulrik^_^
In the older fluff, Primarchs were not that big, they were just the size of regular marines.
Newer fluff supposedly reflects the beliefs of imperial people about their history, often exaggerated like a religious mythology. And here comes the retconning of most Primarchs\' features and background...
Most of the beliefs in the 40k universe are more myths that canon-real stuff. The shards of the Emperor\'s armor in the Crux Terminaturs, for example.
During centuries, people would travel the known world to venerate shards of what people thought were the “true cross of Christ.” But there was no way to prove the origin of these shards, and it is known that splinters were sold to believers for lots of money (enough splinters to build an entire chapel, it\'s said).
In the 40k universe, people don\'t understand the way force fields work, like crozius arcanums, rosarius and the crux terminatus, and they often prefer to think it is a miracle or divine intervention of some sort. It happened when Vandire tricked the first Sisters of Battle with a rosarius, anyway.
So objectively speaking, the helm of Russ or the helm of the Lion may not be and probably are not the actual real holy relics of the Primarchs, and are just reproductions of the original icons... Though say that in the Empire and you\'ll have the Inquisition behind your ass before you can say \"for the Emperor\".
Newer fluff supposedly reflects the beliefs of imperial people about their history, often exaggerated like a religious mythology. And here comes the retconning of most Primarchs\' features and background...
Most of the beliefs in the 40k universe are more myths that canon-real stuff. The shards of the Emperor\'s armor in the Crux Terminaturs, for example.
During centuries, people would travel the known world to venerate shards of what people thought were the “true cross of Christ.” But there was no way to prove the origin of these shards, and it is known that splinters were sold to believers for lots of money (enough splinters to build an entire chapel, it\'s said).
In the 40k universe, people don\'t understand the way force fields work, like crozius arcanums, rosarius and the crux terminatus, and they often prefer to think it is a miracle or divine intervention of some sort. It happened when Vandire tricked the first Sisters of Battle with a rosarius, anyway.
So objectively speaking, the helm of Russ or the helm of the Lion may not be and probably are not the actual real holy relics of the Primarchs, and are just reproductions of the original icons... Though say that in the Empire and you\'ll have the Inquisition behind your ass before you can say \"for the Emperor\".
