Please tell me this isn\'t real!! What are they thinking allowing this?

[airhead]

If it is agreed upon mediation that is a wonderful thing. Keep the issues small and local and get it settled quickly by traditions that both parties are familiar with.

In the construction business here, we use a similar system of a Disputes Resolution Board (DRB). They are made up of retired engineers and contractors that have all \"been there, done that\" and know how to resolve problems.

 

[darklord]

Originally posted by Mr.S.Marbo
I am more concerned with the fact the UK is happy to extradite it\'s own citizens to other countries for offences committed while the suspect was in the UK without the other country having to prove anything to the UK courts (apart from the fact they\'d like to have this person because they think he\'s been naughty).

such as a certain hacker?

 

[Avelorn]

Originally posted by airhead
If it is agreed upon mediation that is a wonderful thing. Keep the issues small and local and get it settled quickly by traditions that both parties are familiar with.

In the construction business here, we use a similar system of a Disputes Resolution Board (DRB). They are made up of retired engineers and contractors that have all \"been there, done that\" and know how to resolve problems.

Hm. Maybe I have too much faith in the legal system lol That really does sound reasonable. But on the other hand.. if tradition is supposed to settle the dispute hm. Then of what use is humanitarian ideals and rational thinking? What will happen if we have a multitude of courts from different religious traditions? I\'m just not sure.

As for integration it can go either way round. Either more seclusion or more that everybody find their place in society.

Let me here some more arguments and such I might have been too rash in my judgement.

 

[Scolar]

Thanks for Pming me about my post Dragonsreach, no wait you didn\'t bother. But hey I\'m just an unwashed part of the masses who puts my X in the wrong box, we should all vote Conservative right?

 

[darklord]

nope, monster raving loony party all the way!

 

[Avelorn]

@Scolar: What are you on about? We are not here to babysit you and carefully explain to you why we dare delete your posts. It broke the forum rules, that\'s it. I think you have a clear picture why that post didn\'t get through. Either you get the drift... or don\'t let the door hit you on your way out.

 

[Scolar]

The truth is that it is normal to private message a user explaining what they did wrong, if I hadn\'t checked back I wouldnt have a clue that it had been deleted.

Anyway I\'m sorry if I upset you

 

[airhead]

Originally posted by Scolar
Thanks for Pming me about my post Dragonsreach, no wait you didn\'t bother. But hey I\'m just an unwashed part of the masses who puts my X in the wrong box, we should all vote Conservative right?

I\'m busy looking in the code of conduct (our own set of rules based on tradition) to see where you are entitled to a pm before your post gets deleted. Hmmm, cannot find it. (link here - see section 10)

lol

Either repost it civilly or get over it.

(Dang mods - Avelorn beat me to it.)
lol

Oh, and welcome to the forums.

 

[Avelorn]

You should be glad you didn\'t get one! We will always PM you a warning you before a suspension of your account. :twisted: If you need details why your message has been deleted you can always PM the moderator in question.

Anyway despite my harsh tone: Welcome to the forums and apology accepted.

 

[wiccanpony]

??? question: what if a Muslim does not want to be tried in a sharia court

 

[Dragonsreach]

Sven:
Thank you for responding in this matter, I\'m glad I didn\'t see this until after your handling of it. I doubt that my response would have been as polite.

Sadly, while it appears I\'ve been logged in all day, thanks to a Dumbass contractor our works internet feed had been stuck in a loop since early this morning.
So we\'ve had limited access off and on throughout the day until a few minutes ago.

 

[Infidel Castro]

Read Marbo\'s post Wiccan! It\'s very good and answers that.

Also, re the post that the feller put up...would anyone have copied it before it went away? I\'d love to have read something that kicked up a stink but as usual I was late on the scene

 

[supervike]

I\'m thinking there are very similar provisions here in the United States with the Native Americans. And most likely for the larger Menonite and Amish communities.

But, I think it is wrong thinking and one that sets up a precedence for real trouble. I\'m not saying what is happening is that, but it lays the groundwork for it.

I like the slippery slope analogy. It\'s usually way off base, but it\'s fun to take a controversial thing to the utmost degree.

 

[generulpoleaxe]

Originally posted by wiccanpony
??? question: what if a Muslim does not want to be tried in a sharia court

it\'s not about being tried, it\'s about sorting out little tiffs before they become something much bigger.
it\'s the sort of thing christian and catholic priests do in small comunities as well.

they basicly moderate the situation and try to find a solution that suits both parties without the law of the land having to waste time sorting it out.

 

[Amazon warrior]

What if a Muslim woman doesn\'t want to go through the Sharia court? Will she actually get any say in the matter? Somehow, I doubt it. I suspect I would find this much more palatable if I knew that Sharia treated everyone equally, regardless of their gender.

As a Brit living in Germany, I don\'t expect to be treated any differently by the legal system just because I\'m not German. In fact, I expect the full weight of German Law to come crashing down on my head if I cock up. Likewise if I visit any other country- if I was caught smuggling drugs in, say, Thailand, I could expect no mercy from them just because I\'m not Thai, even if I was just on holiday. Surely all that matters is the law that pertains to whatever patch of ground that you\'re standing on. If I\'m in Britain, that means British law. If I was in Iran, that would mean Iranian law.

 

[freakinacage]

Originally posted by Scolar
The truth is that it is normal to private message a user explaining what they did wrong

this happens often enough that you know how this \'normally\' occurs?!

Originally posted by reverend

Originally posted by generulpoleaxe
it\'s already done in the jewish comunities and that hasn\'t brought about the down fall of uk society.

the media is blowing it out of proportion as they still have to obey uk law.
they just have a religious leader deal with marital problems including divorce unless it gets bad enough that they decide the police are needed.
people involved can still go to the police if they wish, and the police can interveen any time they wish.

it has helped keep the peece many times in jewish comunities, so why not muslim ones?

Quite right.

I\'m disappointed that some responses here have been so negative and knee-jerk. If it\'s alright for the Jews to have had that sort of alternative for a century then it\'s not a problem to see it happen for the Muslims. In black and white terms it\'s either all or nothing - rescind any arrangement the Jews have whilst telling the Muslims to bugger off at the same time, or give them the same option through their own systems. These things happen and cultures develop and evolve. If you can\'t deal with that then that\'s your own problem.

i know what you mean. however i had knee jerk too. simply because i have never heard about jewish law and heard a lot of random and fairly brutal stuff about it

 

[Infidel Castro]

Originally posted by Amazon warrior
What if a Muslim woman doesn\'t want to go through the Sharia court? Will she actually get any say in the matter? Somehow, I doubt it. I suspect I would find this much more palatable if I knew that Sharia treated everyone equally, regardless of their gender.

They are in Sharia Law. I saw an extensive documentary and the people invloved in dispensing Sharia Law are moderate people working for a whole community. Hence women are treated as they should be (at least in the UK they are).

 

[Amazon warrior]

Originally posted by reverend

Originally posted by Amazon warrior
What if a Muslim woman doesn\'t want to go through the Sharia court? Will she actually get any say in the matter? Somehow, I doubt it. I suspect I would find this much more palatable if I knew that Sharia treated everyone equally, regardless of their gender.

They are in Sharia Law. I saw an extensive documentary and the people invloved in dispensing Sharia Law are moderate people working for a whole community. Hence women are treated as they should be (at least in the UK they are).

Ok. That\'s never been the impression I\'ve received, but I freely admit that I\'m no expert.

It does strike me, however, that this is probably just formalising something that\'s been going on in the background for a while. Yes/no?

 

[Infidel Castro]

Aye, kind of. A natural progression I think.

 

[Mr.S.Marbo]

Originally posted by darklord

Originally posted by Mr.S.Marbo
I am more concerned with the fact the UK is happy to extradite it\'s own citizens to other countries for offences committed while the suspect was in the UK without the other country having to prove anything to the UK courts (apart from the fact they\'d like to have this person because they think he\'s been naughty).

such as a certain hacker?

Yes I guess so, also the three Natwest bankers, and other people and people who could be extradited in the future.

\"The Extradition Act 2003 created a system of fast track processing of extradition applications. This means that British citizens can be removed from the UK to many jurisdictions without the need for a court to hear that there is any evidence against them.\" Liberty UK

Sharia law used on voluntary basis in mediation and arbitration subject to the fact that UK law is still absolute is really not a problem at all when you compare it with the fact that any British citizen can be plucked out of their bed and sent to another country without that county having to provide any evidence of guilt to a British court. THAT fact is simply scary, where as a totally voluntary system of arbitration that has to abide by UK law and can be opted out of really isn\'t scary.