Post Production Anti Future Floor Finish Shine (stuff)
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misterjustin
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I\'ll back Ritual up on this one -- I added a 1/10 FFF/Water mix to several of my paints at one point -- and now I really wish I hadn\'t.
Only water from here forward.
Only water from here forward.
But why such horrific regrets? How did FFF failed to sooth your brushed on acrylics?
But seriously, the fact that you (Ritual) and others (EricJ off top of head) use just water is impressive considering how much I battle the urges to go out and get some medium, or extender, or making FFF magic wash mixes. Do you even use water for washes??? not even soap or FFF for a wash, come on, its ok if you do
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I truely would like to be able to paint to standards high enough to satisfy me, with only the use of water, but again, most my posts always go back to the same thing... chalkinessssssss... sigh.
oh yes, and finally, Ritual you\'ve responded to a lot of my posts with advice and such, just wanted to hand you an appreciative sunglass face for all that.
thanks!
But seriously, the fact that you (Ritual) and others (EricJ off top of head) use just water is impressive considering how much I battle the urges to go out and get some medium, or extender, or making FFF magic wash mixes. Do you even use water for washes??? not even soap or FFF for a wash, come on, its ok if you do
...I truely would like to be able to paint to standards high enough to satisfy me, with only the use of water, but again, most my posts always go back to the same thing... chalkinessssssss... sigh.
oh yes, and finally, Ritual you\'ve responded to a lot of my posts with advice and such, just wanted to hand you an appreciative sunglass face for all that.
thanks!
Cheers! I\'m glad I can help out!
Yes, I use only water for washes. The trick is to control how much paint you put onto the mini. As long as you do you can much easier also control where the paint ends up. And if you don\'t have too much paint on you will not get tide marks or anything. The only medium I use is a paint retarder for when I work on larger areas where the paint would start getting thick before I\'m finished.
Yes, I use only water for washes. The trick is to control how much paint you put onto the mini. As long as you do you can much easier also control where the paint ends up. And if you don\'t have too much paint on you will not get tide marks or anything. The only medium I use is a paint retarder for when I work on larger areas where the paint would start getting thick before I\'m finished.
Well, I always try my best to rid my brush of all the excess diluted paint on it, but when I am dealing with very small things... for example, studs on the metal trim of a helmet, I find, that if I try to apply my wash with no excess paint on the brush... the paint seems to go on the mini and get wicked back up onto the brush (producing no visible result), or it seems nothing is applied at all. Otherwise, I keep extra wash in the brush, which shows on the mini, but explodes a bit, and I end up re-highlighting...
Basically, when applying shades with washes, to small areas... what do I look to do? Apply many layers with a not very paint filled brush, or apply a few super diluted liberal washes? I suppose, like everything else in painting it comes down to my own experimenting, but perhaps you can shoo me in the right direction, again!
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*EDIT*
I see from a old book marked forum question, you\'ve already answered this:drunk:
\"From what you\'re saying it sounds as if Sanjay\'s right, that you had not enough water and applied too much in one go. The wash should be VERY thin and applied in VERY thin layers. You should hardly see any effect from one single layer, but rather use many layers to build up the effect you\'re after. Otherwise you\'ll have no control of the outcome. Remember to let each layer dry completely before adding next one, or you\'ll mess up the previous layer when doing the next.\"
Basically, when applying shades with washes, to small areas... what do I look to do? Apply many layers with a not very paint filled brush, or apply a few super diluted liberal washes? I suppose, like everything else in painting it comes down to my own experimenting, but perhaps you can shoo me in the right direction, again!
:beer:
*EDIT*
I see from a old book marked forum question, you\'ve already answered this:drunk:
\"From what you\'re saying it sounds as if Sanjay\'s right, that you had not enough water and applied too much in one go. The wash should be VERY thin and applied in VERY thin layers. You should hardly see any effect from one single layer, but rather use many layers to build up the effect you\'re after. Otherwise you\'ll have no control of the outcome. Remember to let each layer dry completely before adding next one, or you\'ll mess up the previous layer when doing the next.\"
Yeah, that\'s what I was going to answer this time as well! Also, if you\'re doing very small areas blending is not as vital since you can\'t see the blends very well anyway, due to the small size. Then you can use slightly less diluted paint to further the effect. But, it\'s seldom a good idea to flood the mini with paint since that means you have no control of what\'s happening. I never apply more paint than necessary, but instead tamper with the amount of water in it and if I need to, I apply lots and lots of layers.
Also, if you\'re doing very small areas blending is not as vital since you can\'t see the blends very well anyway, due to the small size. Then you can use slightly less diluted paint to further the effect. But, it\'s seldom a good idea to flood the mini with paint since that means you have no control of what\'s happening. I never apply more paint than necessary, but instead tamper with the amount of water in it and if I need to, I apply lots and lots of layers.Anders pretty much covered it all, but then I think that the two of us paint very similarly. Like anders said, I never put so much watered down paint on a mini so that it pools in the cracks, except maybe a very initial first wash over my base coat in a pale grey just to pick out the details. Once you\'ve put on so much paint that it\'s pooling, you\'ve lost control of just how it will look once it dries. All the additivies are basically used to urge the paint to dry in the way you\'re hoping it will, but they all come with varrious drawbacks and the results are never a sure thing. I just usually have a lightly damp brush with fairly thinned paints and just run my brush through the cracks over and over to slowly build up the shadows. Sure it takes a bit longer, but I think the results are far superiour.
