Question for EvilDave - Doomsday!
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wiccanpony
Official Freak Bar Witch
Originally posted by Undave
OK, now you\'ve got my hopes up. If it doesn\'t pop out a dragon I\'ll be mortally disappointed and put all the blame on youlol
oh! yes! a living dragon is much better then a dead dragon...after three days the smell alone can birth a blackhole
wiccanpony
Official Freak Bar Witch
Originally posted by PegaZus
Oh NOES!!!!111!! Were going to eten by dragens!!!!111!!1! The Whirled Is Going To End!!!!
you and Chicken Little are family, right?
lol
alextheartist
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I liked this bit:
Summarising, it appears that the boffins at the LHC - should one of them clumsily spill his tea on the controls, for instance - could easily catapult the entire world through a rift in the very fabric of space-time, into another universe which could be entirely hostile to life as we know it. (Eg, essential processes such as fermentation of alcohol, TV, pizza delivery, gravity etc might simply not work; or there could be a parallel Earth ruled by an evil victorious Nazi empire with space battlecruisers and so forth.)
Alex
Summarising, it appears that the boffins at the LHC - should one of them clumsily spill his tea on the controls, for instance - could easily catapult the entire world through a rift in the very fabric of space-time, into another universe which could be entirely hostile to life as we know it. (Eg, essential processes such as fermentation of alcohol, TV, pizza delivery, gravity etc might simply not work; or there could be a parallel Earth ruled by an evil victorious Nazi empire with space battlecruisers and so forth.)
Alex
@Farin
Thanks for the physics discussion - very helpful to put things into perspective.
I heard an interesting discussion about what would occur if you happened to end up at the event horizon of a \"normal\" (meaning massive) black hole. The term \"spaghettification\" was coined by that guy who does the Nova shows (Neil Tyson de Graas, I think). Basically, as there would be a differential in the gravitational field between your head and feet, you would be stretched out infinitely. Simultaneously, since there is a distortion of time at the event horizon, that stretching would seem to last forever to you, although to an observer you would be gone in an instant! Isn\'t physics morbidly fascinating?
Thanks for the physics discussion - very helpful to put things into perspective.
I heard an interesting discussion about what would occur if you happened to end up at the event horizon of a \"normal\" (meaning massive) black hole. The term \"spaghettification\" was coined by that guy who does the Nova shows (Neil Tyson de Graas, I think). Basically, as there would be a differential in the gravitational field between your head and feet, you would be stretched out infinitely. Simultaneously, since there is a distortion of time at the event horizon, that stretching would seem to last forever to you, although to an observer you would be gone in an instant! Isn\'t physics morbidly fascinating?
Farin
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well ,as fascinating as a cruesome, painfull death can be
btw, one of the weirdos who posted on the german sites about this actually demanded that the police arrests the entire CERN crew and that thexy all get banned from their jobs, since \" they obviously participating in a conspiracy to intimidate and silence all the smart scientists who wanna stop the LHC \"
funny how quick a person can get himself kicked out of a forumlol
btw, one of the weirdos who posted on the german sites about this actually demanded that the police arrests the entire CERN crew and that thexy all get banned from their jobs, since \" they obviously participating in a conspiracy to intimidate and silence all the smart scientists who wanna stop the LHC \"
funny how quick a person can get himself kicked out of a forumlol
Farin
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@ritual
Ops, overlooked that bit.
yep you´re right.
Time dilation and other relativistic effects are exactly what the name says: relative, they deend on your point of view: For the unlucky fellow inside the event horizon time would pass by absolutely normal. but for an observer who is located somewhere outside the event horizon ( and in a reasonably distance to the black hole since this effects don´t vanish once you´re outside, they get weaker with the distance - the distance squared , to be physical correct ) he would seem to be frozen
in fact, before black holes where called black holes , they were called frozen stars, beause they look frozen in time and unchangeable for an observer
really poetic, but the therm Black hole fits better
Ops, overlooked that bit.
yep you´re right.
Time dilation and other relativistic effects are exactly what the name says: relative, they deend on your point of view: For the unlucky fellow inside the event horizon time would pass by absolutely normal. but for an observer who is located somewhere outside the event horizon ( and in a reasonably distance to the black hole since this effects don´t vanish once you´re outside, they get weaker with the distance - the distance squared , to be physical correct ) he would seem to be frozen
in fact, before black holes where called black holes , they were called frozen stars, beause they look frozen in time and unchangeable for an observer
really poetic, but the therm Black hole fits better
Mr.S.Marbo
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I think it\'s quite interesting... I am naturally hoping for a living dragon to be created during the experiment. Perhaps it will be pulled into CERN through an extra dimension that they could find Uberdark why would you want to use a machete against zombies from another dimension? Isn\'t a shotgun a much cooler look?
Professor Brian Cox from CERN has this to say.
\"The LHC has absolutely no chance of destroying anything bigger than a few protons, let alone the Earth. This is not based on theoretical assumptions.\"
Regarding the idea that this experiment could create a black hole that will suck us all in...... he says \"the LHC collides particles together at energies far below those naturally occurring in many places in the Universe, including the upper atmosphere of our planet every second of every day. If the LHC can produce micro black holes, for example, then nature is doing it right now by smashing ultra-high energy cosmic ray particles into the Earth directly above our heads with no discernable consequences.\"
It seems to me that they are proposing to re-create using less energy an effect that happens on earth already. He says that as particles collide naturally already then either there are no extra dimensions in the Universe and therefore this natural collision of particles does not produce black holes. Or the other option is that these natural collision of particles do create black holes \"..but sub-atomic black holes should fizzle back into the Universe very quickly billionths of a second after they are created in a little flash of particles via a process known as Hawking radiation.\"
He also says \"And even if you don’t buy any of this, then you can still relax in the knowledge that we have no evidence anywhere in the Universe of a little black hole eating anything – not just Earth but the Sun and planets and every star we can see in the sky including the immensely dense neutron stars and white dwarfs, remnants of ancient Suns that populate the sky in their millions and which because of their density would make great black hole food.\" http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/bigbang/asktheexpert.shtml
So I am not going to hold my breath Personally I am going to go with Steven Hawking who doesn\'t think it\'s very likely that they will create mini black holes at all. Sounds kind of exciting...
Uberdark why would you want to use a machete against zombies from another dimension? Isn\'t a shotgun a much cooler look?Professor Brian Cox from CERN has this to say.
\"The LHC has absolutely no chance of destroying anything bigger than a few protons, let alone the Earth. This is not based on theoretical assumptions.\"
Regarding the idea that this experiment could create a black hole that will suck us all in...... he says \"the LHC collides particles together at energies far below those naturally occurring in many places in the Universe, including the upper atmosphere of our planet every second of every day. If the LHC can produce micro black holes, for example, then nature is doing it right now by smashing ultra-high energy cosmic ray particles into the Earth directly above our heads with no discernable consequences.\"
It seems to me that they are proposing to re-create using less energy an effect that happens on earth already. He says that as particles collide naturally already then either there are no extra dimensions in the Universe and therefore this natural collision of particles does not produce black holes. Or the other option is that these natural collision of particles do create black holes \"..but sub-atomic black holes should fizzle back into the Universe very quickly billionths of a second after they are created in a little flash of particles via a process known as Hawking radiation.\"
He also says \"And even if you don’t buy any of this, then you can still relax in the knowledge that we have no evidence anywhere in the Universe of a little black hole eating anything – not just Earth but the Sun and planets and every star we can see in the sky including the immensely dense neutron stars and white dwarfs, remnants of ancient Suns that populate the sky in their millions and which because of their density would make great black hole food.\" http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/bigbang/asktheexpert.shtml
So I am not going to hold my breath
Personally I am going to go with Steven Hawking who doesn\'t think it\'s very likely that they will create mini black holes at all. Sounds kind of exciting...
Farin
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well exactly what i said - of course not in that smoothed pr departement english
even if they don´t spawn a dragon - you can bet that on a time scale of several years that this will have some impact on our lifes.
after all einstein´s stuff seems always very theoretical and without any practical use - But in fact without his theory of relativity no satellite , no GPS system would work, no laser would exist without his work - the list is huge and we own it all to that guy and the folks who used his equations :beer:
so let´s see what happens when they find out how mass works - maybe they develop some technology that makes it possible to cancel mass - right now thats of cause just scince fiction , but who knows
even if they don´t spawn a dragon - you can bet that on a time scale of several years that this will have some impact on our lifes.
after all einstein´s stuff seems always very theoretical and without any practical use - But in fact without his theory of relativity no satellite , no GPS system would work, no laser would exist without his work - the list is huge and we own it all to that guy and the folks who used his equations :beer:
so let´s see what happens when they find out how mass works - maybe they develop some technology that makes it possible to cancel mass - right now thats of cause just scince fiction , but who knows
Farin
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yep same old same old
no parallele universe where Nazis on dragons attack us, no black hole and GW is stilll singing the olde \"we got no choice and are really sorry \" blues
but don´t worry those people will not give up so fast - today was only a testdrive , the CERN crew only let one proton parcel fly through the machine, so the wackos will claim that the world is still doomed and will end as soon as they start the big experiments
EDIT: okay ritual you were quicker
no parallele universe where Nazis on dragons attack us, no black hole and GW is stilll singing the olde \"we got no choice and are really sorry \" blues
but don´t worry those people will not give up so fast - today was only a testdrive , the CERN crew only let one proton parcel fly through the machine, so the wackos will claim that the world is still doomed and will end as soon as they start the big experiments
EDIT: okay ritual you were quicker
Farin
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@Uber:
So i see you bounced right back from your dissapoinment that there where no news about dragons this morning
i must admitt i was dissapointed when i woke up and no winged monster lizard was greeting me. I already had plans of becoming a succesful dragon slayer.
but remember Uber from a statistical point of view, it´s still possibly that we got attacked by zombies, flooding in from another dimension - there is no law in physics that says that this is impossible , therefor the chance is greater than zero.
so, keep your trusty chaoinsaw by your side, it might be tomorow:bouncy:
So i see you bounced right back from your dissapoinment that there where no news about dragons this morning
i must admitt i was dissapointed when i woke up and no winged monster lizard was greeting me. I already had plans of becoming a succesful dragon slayer.
but remember Uber from a statistical point of view, it´s still possibly that we got attacked by zombies, flooding in from another dimension - there is no law in physics that says that this is impossible , therefor the chance is greater than zero.
so, keep your trusty chaoinsaw by your side, it might be tomorow
:bouncy: