Question - Priming/Basecoat

3eeve

New member
Newb question, please forgive.

Is it necessary to prime/basecoat on plastic models? Especially if I\'m already using dark basecoats? Thanks.
 

Modderrhu

New member
Yep, it\'s quite necessary. Acrylic paints do not stick very well to smooth plastic, and the primer is there to provide the teeth for the paint to cling to. The colour of the undercoat is simply a side-issue, and is not the main purpose of the primer.

And welcome, 3eeve. :)
 

J2FcM

New member
OK some priming rules I\'ve learned... for spray.

Swirl the can shaker ball thing around on the bottom and top of the can, AND shake it. For a minute.

When spraying mini\'s, I would spray from 6-10inches away.

Glide the spray over the miniature, holding down the nozzle before and after you pass the mini (ie. start spraying before you sweep over the mini, and stop spraying after you have passed over it)

Oh, and like, don\'t chip off the primer, and keep practiciing and make it smooth, and and and...
 

XeO3

New member
To add to J2\'s tips:

-Spraying from too far away will give you a grainy primer coat.
-Spraying too close will soak the mini in paint and clog up the detail.

And if you screw it up, soak the mini in some Simple Green for a day or 2 and try again. :)
 

J2FcM

New member
Unless the mini is plastic! Then simple green wont come off unless you use your nails and a scalpel... so basically, idk what to do with plastic paintjobs that I want annhiliated!
 
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faulkns

Guest
Have to agree with above. But be aware all the nooks and crannies from different angles. Can sometimes pay to touch these up with brush primer as plastic detail not deep enough to risk usually.

Dettol does the job for me on plastics!
(Can\'t get enough of that sweet smell either!)
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
I usually make 4 or 5 passes across a mini - spray about level with the mini (can below the level of the table the minis set on). And the fifth pass across the top.

The areas that don\'t get painted: armpits, behind shields, etc. generally will not get handled either and I don\'t worry about them. If you are rubbing the paint off of the armpits, you have other problems than primer issues.
 

3eeve

New member
Cool, thanks everybody. Good to know.

And welcome, 3eeve. :)

Thanks! I\'ve been an on and off mini painter for the past few years. I remember the first models I painted - a unit of high elf sword masters. Then I got into Bretonnians for a little while. Now I\'m back and planning to paint up a forest guerilla theme for my Tau.

I like tabletop games, I like painting, and I have a steady hand so I\'ve always been drawn to minis. But I have no formal art background and I\'ve never spent enough time painting to actually learn anything. So I\'ve never doubted my schemes or color choices, but I have a lot to learn and I think my detail work leaves something to be desired.

Looking forward to finally getting some serious practice.
 

matty1001

New member
@3eeve: Get some WIP\'s and mini\'s up and im sure you\'ll get loads of help and inspiration,. When i started using this site i was getting scores of 4 - 5 now 2months later im getting 6 - 7\'s, and iv only been painting mini\'s for 3month!
 

J2FcM

New member
Something I forgot to mention (or ask)

Is it good\\bad\\indifferent to spray with a can from various angles?

Typically, I lay my mini\'s down, so the can is parrallel to the floor. Should my can be upright whilst spriggitty sprayin?

yo ho ho, time to go to the basement and try it out!
 

demonherald

New member
It\'s best where possible to keep the can upright keeps a more even flow of spray and stops dodgy drips buggering up your mini.

Always test spray on a bit of card or spare sprue detail before starting on your minis and check how it dries.
Can save a lot of heartache
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
Originally posted by J2FcM
...Is it good\\bad\\indifferent to spray with a can from various angles?

Typically, I lay my mini\'s down, so the can is parrallel to the floor. Should my can be upright whilst spriggitty sprayin?
Cans were designed to be sprayed while held upright. In addition, as you rotate the mini, you will be putting wet primer against the floor. I see nothing positive about this.

Get a small cardboard box and set it up in a card table if you need a spray booth. Don\'t put the mini all the way back against the box, but more toward the front edge.
 
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faulkns

Guest
Definitely try and keep can upright. Never lay the mini down to do inner areas until sure it is dry or when you stand it up again the undercoat will have stuck to the surface it is on and come off.
 

MPJ

New member
Everyone has forgotten to mention the \'Primer Dance\'. Every time I use my spray primers while shaking the can I do the Primer Dance (think native americans stomping around a campfire) while chanting prayers to the Primer Gods.

It\'s funny \'cause I don\'t know him... Umm, oh wait it\'s me so... It\'s funny \'cause it\'s true!

TTFN, Michel

PS: It\'s really true, I do. Wifie thinks I\'m nuts but I\'ve been doing this since she was in diapers (got me a younger woman. ;p).
 

Modderrhu

New member
I remember that primer dance. It looked like I was stuck outside the bathroom door for 10 minutes, needing to go very, very badly. Then I got me an airbrush and some PVA primer. :D
 

MPJ

New member
Modderrhu brings up a question I\'ve been meaning to ask:

Does anyone prime with an airbrush? Assuming a yes (other than just Modderrhu) do you find it better than from a spray can and what primers have/do you use?

I\'ve got a couple good airbrushes, compressor, etc... And have been mulling around using them for priming minis. I\'m sure it would be a pain in the butt if you just primed one mini at a time but I generally prime many and leave them in that primed state for a while (years sometimes) before getting around to actually painting them.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
I think most of the brush on primers (Vellajo, GW, Reaper, etc.) are pretty poor primers. The primer test shows the only thing worse than the brush on was the black paint. Now, if you were to run some Rustoleum or automotive primers through your airbrush, you might be on to something.

Cost of a can of Krylon primer: $5.00 (or less)
Minis primed per can: 75 (I just did this and there was paint left in the can)
Cost per mini = less than 7 cents per mini.
It is not worth me getting out my airbrushes and shooting minis with some nasty automotive primers and flushin with reducer to save a penny per mini.
 
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