Badkarma1354
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One of my favorite cd\'s is purely covers. It is called Writers Block and was done by Evergreen Terrace. The songs on it are not that old and are mainly rock done in a more screamo way.
Rap: not even the rhyming is original :)
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Shawn R. L.
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My musical awarness began in the late 60\'s early 70\'s and one thing about many of the guys back then was that they had a serious grounding in how to play the basics. They studied the \'oldies\'. I belive Eddie van Halen was trained in classical piano or violin. So many were well versed in the jazz and blues greats. I wont say everybody but now it seems if you are well versed in vulgarity and attitude you are well on your way. Bling bling. Am told some of these new \'artists\' dont know much musically because they know so much can be done in the studio on the PC that they really dont have to know what they are doing. Lord save us from banal art! One of the reasons I still work on canvas is to keep alive the \'old ways\'.
Yeah, i really want to learn to play the piano and then learn to sing, and then sing solo with the piano and compose my own stuff and just be really great but have no fan base. i sorta used to do that with the acustic guitar in high school, but it sounded more like a new wave kid in a pink plastic jacket with a keyboard instead of anything good. That\'s why i need the piano. Don\'t find those in marching bands
vincegamer
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News flash. Only a small proportion of musicians write their own songs. I don\'t think Roy Orbison ever wrote anything.
Thank you for the enlightening sarcasm Vince - so much for my mental image of Britney Spears hard at work writing songs
Let me rephrase that then with what I really meant to say - they have NO musical talent. At least singers can sing.
So has anyone actually read the article linked to in the original post here? - that was more the point here instead of my personal opinions on rap.
To address your question Primeval, yes I read the article. It’s not exactly a revelation that verse from hundreds of years ago bears a great resemblance to rap - the flowing and clever metaphor filled iambic pentameter of the bard puts even the most skilled and versatile MCs of today to shame! It was quite interesting to see that battles were fought using the quill all those years ago though. All in all an OK read.
Now to get onto the people disregarding rap, hip hop, whatever you want to call it! Yes, modern populist stuff is largely soulless, unappealing and rather stupid, but there is still a huge amount of enjoyable hip hop out there if you look for the less mainstream.
Unfortunately the mass music buying public who actually dictate the content of playlists (mostly 10 year olds with far too much disposable income and a strange penchant for listening to Fiddy Cent’s latest bragging about ‘gunnin’ down anudda nigga’) are making the whole genre look like a joke and meaning most people simply disregard it as such. There\'s tasty fruity treats beneath the burnt, inedible, gangsta rap styled top of the hip hop pie.
Now to get onto the people disregarding rap, hip hop, whatever you want to call it! Yes, modern populist stuff is largely soulless, unappealing and rather stupid, but there is still a huge amount of enjoyable hip hop out there if you look for the less mainstream.
Unfortunately the mass music buying public who actually dictate the content of playlists (mostly 10 year olds with far too much disposable income and a strange penchant for listening to Fiddy Cent’s latest bragging about ‘gunnin’ down anudda nigga’) are making the whole genre look like a joke and meaning most people simply disregard it as such. There\'s tasty fruity treats beneath the burnt, inedible, gangsta rap styled top of the hip hop pie.
Well, for f***s sake, I merely posted a link to an article I thought was amusing. Wasn\'t trying to bring a \"revelation\" to the CMON forums. And I am well aware that there are plenty of rappers with more to say than the stuff mentioned in this thread. Metal is much the same, most of the mainstream stuff is crap but if you dig deeper there is some good stuff to be found.
Finn, if you read this please remind me once again to quit starting threads, mine always seem to take an unintended serious turn.lol
Finn, if you read this please remind me once again to quit starting threads, mine always seem to take an unintended serious turn.
lolYou ask if anyone\'s read the article, I answer and then you throw a strop about it. There\'s no pleasing some people.
Perhaps the response you were looking for was \'Yes, great work, what a fascinating find\' If so, tough!
You are not the centre of all things and focus of every post, certainly not the one I made, so why take it so personally? I never said you were trying to bring a revelation to the forms, I was just expressing that I have respect for the verse of Shakespeare. I wasn\'t saying you were saying rap was crap, it was aimed at others and much more a general comment about how popular rap does a disservice to the good stuff.
These are discussion forums and this sort of thread development will happen, as in verbal discussion. You’re going to have to live with it or state explicit rules of response every time you start a thread... or you could just quit starting threads, they always seem to take an unintended serious turn.
Perhaps the response you were looking for was \'Yes, great work, what a fascinating find\' If so, tough!
You are not the centre of all things and focus of every post, certainly not the one I made, so why take it so personally? I never said you were trying to bring a revelation to the forms, I was just expressing that I have respect for the verse of Shakespeare. I wasn\'t saying you were saying rap was crap, it was aimed at others and much more a general comment about how popular rap does a disservice to the good stuff.
These are discussion forums and this sort of thread development will happen, as in verbal discussion. You’re going to have to live with it or state explicit rules of response every time you start a thread... or you could just quit starting threads, they always seem to take an unintended serious turn.
vincegamer
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Here, check out this story:
Rapping Chaucer
Unfortunately I heard a clip of this guy and he\'s terrible. Chaucer certainly could be rapped and make a good piece, but it needs to be done by someone with singing talent.
Rapping Chaucer
Unfortunately I heard a clip of this guy and he\'s terrible. Chaucer certainly could be rapped and make a good piece, but it needs to be done by someone with singing talent.
Shakespeare could put the poetry into Rhythm And Poetry
On a day, alack the day!
Love, whose month is ever May,
Spied a blossom passing fair,
Playing in the wanton air,
Through the velvet leaves the wind,
All unseen, \'gan passage find,
That the lover, sick to death,
Wish\'d himself the heaven\'s breath.
Air, quoth he, thy cheeks may blow,
Air, would I might triumph so!
But, alack, my hand is sworn,
Ne\'er to pluck thee from thy thorn,
Vow, alack, for youth unmeet,
Youth so apt to pluck a sweet.
Do not call it sin in me,
That I am forsworn for thee,
Thou for whom Jove would swear,
Juno but an Ethiope were,
And deny himself for Jove,
Turning mortal for thy love.
I\'d far rather listen to Donna Profetta-Adams putting this to a harp, than to any rapper plucking on his carp.
On a day, alack the day!
Love, whose month is ever May,
Spied a blossom passing fair,
Playing in the wanton air,
Through the velvet leaves the wind,
All unseen, \'gan passage find,
That the lover, sick to death,
Wish\'d himself the heaven\'s breath.
Air, quoth he, thy cheeks may blow,
Air, would I might triumph so!
But, alack, my hand is sworn,
Ne\'er to pluck thee from thy thorn,
Vow, alack, for youth unmeet,
Youth so apt to pluck a sweet.
Do not call it sin in me,
That I am forsworn for thee,
Thou for whom Jove would swear,
Juno but an Ethiope were,
And deny himself for Jove,
Turning mortal for thy love.
I\'d far rather listen to Donna Profetta-Adams putting this to a harp, than to any rapper plucking on his carp.
Ebonbuddha
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Actually, original rap had nothing to do with other people\'s music. It was hust a beat and the guys rapping.
\" No problem with that. It\'s all the big bad homie shit I can\'t stand. All you have to do to make a rap record is wave your arms about in an agressive manner.\"
Well, this statement isn\'t true either. See Arrested Development, Disposable Heroes of Hip-Hoprisy, Pops Cool Love...
\" No problem with that. It\'s all the big bad homie shit I can\'t stand. All you have to do to make a rap record is wave your arms about in an agressive manner.\"
Well, this statement isn\'t true either. See Arrested Development, Disposable Heroes of Hip-Hoprisy, Pops Cool Love...
Ebonbuddha
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Thats how it is in Asia. Some friends and I were in a pub and I saw video from a korean performer. the took all of michael Jackson\'s dance moves and did them in his perfomance. I\'m sitting there said out loud,\"Thriler. Bad. History.\"
All Korean performers basicly model their music and videos after western style music. All the performers have to do is look good. So a lot of it is pure shit. I see american music going that route. Unfortunately.
All Korean performers basicly model their music and videos after western style music. All the performers have to do is look good. So a lot of it is pure shit. I see american music going that route. Unfortunately.
Legacy Account
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Bollocks! Where do you think the beats came from!!! The whole scene was invented by people like Kool Herc and Grandmaster Flash, who would spin the percussive or instrumental sections of tracks that were kicking around at the time. The whole two decks thing came about because they wanted longer breaks to rhyme over.... This was happening a good five to six years before The Sugerhill Gang released Rappers Delight.
Adventures On The Wheels Of Steel my son - listen to it!!!
Shawn R. L.
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johnboyjjb
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They knew back in the early 80s that video would kill the radio stars. Look at Millie Vanilli. A pair of guys who were pretty boys lip synch\'ing to tunes put out by middle aged people who weren\'t flashy enough to make it big.
I was also under the impression that Roy Orbison wrote the lyrics to \"killing me softly with his song\" which was made kind of famous by Fugees and was originally written about Don McLean\'s American Pie.
I think it is funny that there is a thrashing going on here about blatently disrespectful and/or childish most popular mainstream music is. If you look at the thread about schools you will see a similar discussion about kids learning how to disrespect adults. They are teaching children how to use the F-word; who cares about creativity?
templartau
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I want to start out by saying that I am not a huge fan of rap, in fact I dislike most rap. Most groups arent original, not only rap artists. Just look at the huge number of \"alternative rock\" groups who all sound the same. Its pretty funny that you can play most Blink 182 or Greenday songs by just knowing a couple power chords. I actually watched an interview with Jay Z and he was explaining the lyrics behind one of his songs. On the surface the lyrics looked shallow but once he explained them you could see he really put thought into his lyrics and it was full of metaphors.
Also, alot of singers cant actually sing. Most concerts are prerecorded and are just lip synced and when recording CDs artists digitally enhance their voices.
Furthermore, you have to realize that not everyone listens to music to analyze lyrics or to appreciate the musical skill. Some people listen to music because they like how it sounds, no matter how simple or rehashed it is. I just dont think you should bash rap just because you think it is simple or because it doesnt require talent.
Also, alot of singers cant actually sing. Most concerts are prerecorded and are just lip synced and when recording CDs artists digitally enhance their voices.
Furthermore, you have to realize that not everyone listens to music to analyze lyrics or to appreciate the musical skill. Some people listen to music because they like how it sounds, no matter how simple or rehashed it is. I just dont think you should bash rap just because you think it is simple or because it doesnt require talent.
Shawn R. L.
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I dont know who wrote it but I think it was Roberta Flack that did that song in the 70\'s. One of the most tender/powerful deliveries ever.
Einion
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As Shawn mentioned the original version of Killing Me Softly was already quite famous, won Grammys for Record Of The Year and Best Pop Vocal in 1973, before Lauryn Hill of Fugees was even born; Pras and Wyclef were one! It was written by Norm Gimble and Charles Fox from a poem by Lori Lieberman.
Although it was inspired by Don McLean apparently the song most directly responsible was Empty Chairs which I don\'t think I\'ve heard. Hmmm, WinMX...?
Einion
