Recomendations for camera?

Roger Bunting

New member
Well, the title says it really.. I\'m not really up on this technological thing so does anyone have any recomendations on a digital camera, for photographing minis, of course, as well as general snapshots? I won\'t be able to actually get one for a little while yet (cashflow problem: it isn\'t flowing); but I thought I may as well learn what I\'m looking for when I do.
 

Roger Bunting

New member
Bump!

Just thought I\'d bump this as there hasn\'t been any replies. I\'m really not sure what I\'ll be looking for. I\'ve heard Nikon, Canon and Sony are good.
 

Tenbears

New member
Yeah, I\'d also like a reply to this one :)

I\'m a bit of a newbie to the whole posting photos online, but its something I would love to get into. I\'ve won a couple best painted army awards and some single miniature ones at local events, but my minis look rubbish when I photo them. My camera isn\'t amazing (4.0 megapixel Vivitar) but I should be getting better photos than I am....the glare is a problem, as is knowing where to photograph them and with what in the background. So, yeah, any ideas?
 

Kendaric

New member
First thing would be to clearly define how involved you\'re willing to get into photography... If you\'re considering photography another hobby, or if you wish something that works very well and fast you should look into entry level D-Slrs. Otherwise, stick to compact cameras, as these are less pricy...

Overal, best cameras are often Canon and Nikon. These are in my opinion the best values for money on the market. There is also Panasonic that has a few interesting products, as well as Pentax. Probably Sony as well, although I must admit I\'m not very well informed about the three brands I quoted last. So I\'ll stick to Nikon and Canon. For the rest, you should look deeply on the Internet on sites such as http://www.dpreview.com/. Do not overlook any drawback. I someone mentions a drawback, look it up and pay close attention to it, especially if it could influence what you\'re shooting. My first digital camera had autofocus problems in low light, and it was a real pain in the a**. I really regret having overlooked this detail when buying it... So if you\'d rather not learn the lesson the hard way keep this in mind.

General stuff now: if you wish to buy a point and shoot it\'ll need a macro function to take pictures of miniatures. Be aware that manual focusing is going to be very hard with it, if not impossible, so autofocus should work well and an AF assist lamp is something that sure is valuable. A camera cannot see anymore in the dark really fast...
Megapixels aren\'t everything. 6 is already a llot. So I don\'t think you should pay a lot for 4 more MP. Which is what ads tell you to do, but look up test pictures on dpreview (link above), there isn\'t that much difference in detail really.
High ISO abilities are valuable. On a P&S you can usually use up to 200/400 ISO. Not much more. D-Slr\'s can be used up to 800 ISO, 1600 if properly exposed, that\'s a must have in low light.
Be wary of image stabilization. That\'s really good, but only if it\'s true optical stabilization, and not very high ISO levels. Which you won\'t be able to use and get good pictures with on a P&S. The first one, on the other hand, works very well.
The optics are the most important part of a camera. They make the details. Not the megapixels. An excellent lens on a 4 megapixels camera will yield photos that print much larger that a lousy optic on a 10 megapixel camera. In good cameras, you\'re not paying for megapixels, you\'re not paying for camera modes. You\'re paying for good glass. And Nikon and Canon glass is excellent. Which is why I like these brands...

If you wish a D-Slr, these are the models I think you should look up (in no order):
- Nikon D40 w/ Kit Lens (6MP)
- Nikon D40x w/ Kit Lens (slightly upgraded functions, 10MP, higher fps rate, more expensive)
- Canon EOS 400D w/ Kit Lens (the exact same as Nikon D40x, price included. But it\'s Canon, and has a wider choice of optics. Which doesn\'t sound too relevant in your case)

With these you get an excellent camera for 550$/€ (D40) or 750$/€ (D40x/400D). It can easily be upgraded, can probably take photos of your miniatures (you\'d have to check in real life if kit lens can focus close enough). But for all purpose photography they\'ll always perform better than P&S.
I\'d advise you to go to a camera store and hold these in your hands if you wish to buy one. I prefer Nikon ergonomics and looks. That\'s personal.
You can get great macro abilities for an additional 100$ with old macro lenses on e-Bay. They\'re all manual but anyway macro is best manually focused. And for exposure, that\'s harder, but with miniatures you\'ve got all the time you need to adjust it all. And you should be doing it manual anyway.

For P&S, I don\'t know much about them. These are the models I\'ve heard good things about recently:
- Nikon P5000
- Canon A570IS
- Canon SD850IS
- Canon Powershot S5 IS
- Canon Powershot G7
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1
- Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ8

That\'s all I can think of, but you should look into Sony and maybe Casio as well. Most of the models I\'ve quoted above are rather pricy though and I think the three D-Slrs above are a better value for money. Especially D-40.
If you see something you like, try it in a camera store, don\'t belive the seller because he\'ll probably lie to you or won\'t be knowledgeable. Go on Internet forums (I like the dpreview one) and ask questions there, you\'ll get good answers there. And take your time to pick up something because it\'s quite an investment...

I hope this helps!
 

Roger Bunting

New member
Thanks for the thorough reply; very helpful. At the moment I\'m just thinking of snapshots and photographing minis but taking up photography as a hobby is something I may like to try.
 

Legacy Account

Active member
Just bear in mind that digital SLRs have plummeted in price if you want a new one.

You can pick up a second hand Canon SLR and a new lens for £300-400. It\'ll be a beefy 10 or 20D as well.

All depends how much you have to spend (and how much you want to get into photography), but I would rarely recommend anyone spending more than a couple of hundred quid on a happy snappy.
 

Roger Bunting

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Where could I get a good second hand camera from, in the UK, apart from ebay? If there are reputable sellers for them on ebay I would consider it.
 

Tenbears

New member
Thanks a lot Kendaric, that\'s really useful advice. I guess I\'ll have to look on the link you gave, see what I can find. I see what you\'re saying about mega pixels not being everything. I\'d love to just be able to judge the quality of a camera purely on the number of MP it has, but I can see there\'s many other factors to consider as well.

Taking up photography is an attractive hobby. Only problem is that I\'m a student and was hoping to get a camera that could photo minis, at least to a semi-decent level, on a budget really. Hmm...I can see that I\'ll need to get more money. How much do you think I could sell my old camera for? If I find one, do you think you could give me your opinions on it if I post its details on here?

Is ebay a good place (even if it was just to sell my old one) as Roger asks?
 

Kendaric

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Taking up photography is an attractive hobby. Only problem is that I\'m a student and was hoping to get a camera that could photo minis, at least to a semi-decent level, on a budget really.

Maybe you could look up nikon coolpix 5400 on ebay. They seem to go for, well, 100$. Or Sony DSC-V1 for 80$.
Look up cyril\'s photos of miniatures, he uses (or at least used to) use a Coolpix 5400. I don\'t know how the Sony fares in macro, but dpreviews seems to say it\'s comparable to CP5400.

Oldies work, that was taken with my CP5700.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/georges_g/427149571/


How much do you think I could sell my old camera for?

My previous digital camera was released in May 2002 and now goes for... Well, something like 1/4, 1/5 the price I paid for it. It was a 5mp (coolpix 5700). I wouldn\'t like to see it go for that price. But I guess I wouldn\'t want to see it go at all, since it was a gift ;).
That\'s up to you to see wether it\'s worth it. Similar items often go for the same price.

If I find one, do you think you could give me your opinions on it if I post its details on here?

Of course, but be wary of my opinion as well. ;)
I\'m no expert, and as with sellers, I\'d strongly advise you to go on technical forums (such as dpreview) where people that bought this camera can give you their opinion. They are those that are most likely to tell you what\'s right and most important what\'s wrong with the camera.

Is ebay a good place (even if it was just to sell my old one) as Roger asks?

I\'ve never sold anything on ebay. But there is interesting stuff on e-bay, exclusively on used/discontinued models.
New is not worth it, new (which means hot) items quite often end up being more expensive than what you\'d pay for them in a store. I\'ve seen lenses ending 200$ more than their retail price. Very funny.
However, if you look up old items, there are some jewels. You pay the price they\'re worth of course, but they can\'t be found anywhere else. I\'ve picked up an old (well, I think it\'s 30 years old) lens (105mm macro-nikkor) on ebay for my D80. Works just fine - at least I think so.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/georges_g/462815322/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/georges_g/462815320/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/georges_g/513506386/

And if you\'re careful around sellers there shouldn\'t be any problem either.
 

Tenbears

New member
Thanks again.
I love your photos by the way, the detail is amazing. If I could get one anywhere near that it\'d be ideal.

So, do you think one of the cameras you quoted would be ok?

How about one like this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nikon-COOLPIX-5400-Digital-Camera_W0QQitemZ130119428468QQihZ003QQcategoryZ31388QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If i sell my camera on ebay, or to someone I know, I could get a fair bit towards something, I guess.

I\'m just bit wary about buying stuff off of ebay for that amount of money, to be honest. The most expensive thing I\'ve ever bought on there has been £30ish!
 

Kendaric

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Well... I think the cameras I quoted are fine cameras.

Big warning: I\'ve never held that camera in my hands, all I\'m writing is a kind of summary of different reviews on the web.

Looking further into the CP5400, it seems to be quite slow writing images on the card... If the buffer is good then it\'s not problem and buffer seems to be ok. For macro work... Well, you\'ll find it hard to use manual focus anyway, and macro is easier with manual focus. But for a subject such as a miniature, that stands still, is well lit when you take the picture, it shoudln\'t be a problem. And the macro feature of the 5400 seems to be superb... If I\'m to believe the customers reviews I\'ve seen.
There is no super zoom. I don\'t think you\'d miss it. You\'d have a hard time taking wildlife pictures anyway with a compact since AF is slow.
Battery life seems to be short. This is annoying, you\'ll probably need a second battery if you wish to go on long photo sessions.
It also seems to be very noisy... Dpreview states the opposite. This noise at ISO 200 could well be due to photographer\'s poor technics. Correctly exposed, under normal conditions (a scene that\'s not too contrasty) you can very easily use high ISO settings with good results.
That\'s irrelevant for miniature shooting since you\'ll be using ISO 50 anyway.
Maybe AF problem in low light conditions? Look this one up, that\'s soo unnerving, you can\'t even imagine. The camera hunts for focus for 4 seconds and then tells you it can\'t take the shot. But it\'s already gone, of course. Grrr...


Interesting customer reviews:
\"Conclusion: not a snapshot camera, rather a small quality camera for moments when you\'ve got the time to think about your image.\"
\"When I bought this camera, in March 2006 on eBay, it was already discontinued, but I bought it new, for $300 usd, so yes, at that price this is the perfect camera.\"
\"Rock-solid construction\"
\"Very poor low-light focus (no AF illuminator)\" I\'ve mentioned it, unnverving.
\"Focus hunts a lot\" That as well...
\"OK low light af, though not bad, mid performance.\"

Overall it seems to have good reviews.

For the ebay one: check, double check, tiple check all\'s there (camera, manual, battery, charger... I might be forgetting something). Explicitely ask the seller. Ask him if there has ever been any problem with the camera, if it needs something repaired, if anything\'s not functional. With such a camera, a repair will cost you more than a new one.
Maybe you can find cheaper than 100£ in the US for example, take your time and see how high those that have bids end. That\'ll give you an idea of the price.

You can also look up Canon G5. Or G3.
Look this up, interesting:
http://www.mplonsky.com/photo/equip.htm

And the galleries:
http://www.pbase.com/mplonsky


If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! :)
 

Tenbears

New member
Ok, thanks for your help again. You seem to be a bit of an expert on the subjest.

I\'m gonna have a thorough read of some of the photography articles on CMON and see if that\'ll help me improve a bit. I\'ll look into the camera situation once I\'ve got a bit more money in a few weeks.

If its cool with you, I\'ll attract your attention to some stuff that I\'m gonna post in the next few days to see what you think (Regarding photography and painting ability!)
 
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Arkzein

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Just to chime as well, I\'ve been mulling over getting a new camera of late (Nothing fancy mind) and as such been reading around a bit. Most of the reviews I\'ve read on P&S macro photography have said that Nikon, and the coolpix series in particular, are the best option for the amateur looking for a good macro function. Links in with what has been mentioned above already in any case. :)

Have a Kodak easyshare C330 right now. (dead cheap and only 4 MP when I bought it) and honesly happy enough with it. More lighting, levels in photoshop and a tripod that were letting me down until I sorted them.
 

Fizl

Secret Crocodile
I have the 5400 and yes it is a little slow writing to the card, and exporting through the usb (but I think the usb is 1.1 only)

It is a brilliant camera. Don\'t take any of my photo\'s as evidence pleasee (most weren\'t taken using it, and I am officially awful at photography). Eric J does take his mini photo\'s with one, so you should be able to see the sort of things that can be acheived.

Shaz
 
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