Rules Question around Kill Credit

[Trigoras]

So this scenario came up recently and I couldn't answer the question with the rules I know.

Lets say a guild attacks a monster and that monster takes enough wounds that would force it to die but not overkill it.
Now the payback reaction hits another guild's hero that is carrying the amulet of retribution or is spike and that hero does enough wounds back to also kill/overkill that monster.

If the payback reaction gets wounds equal to the overkill does the monster die and that guild gets credit? or does overkill only count for attacks targeting the monster and not attacks from the monster?

 

[psousa781]

I would say the guild that originally killed (not overkilled) the monster gets the gold. The monster is already dead, so the extra hits are superfluous and not really applied to the monster (even if an overkill since the monster won't have a second Payback Reaction regardless).

 

[Trigoras]

I guess the question really relates to Quest credit since monsters with an ability that could create this scenario are villains and when a villain dies all guilds that did a wound to that monster would get the gold reward.

 

[Gormash]

This is an invalid question. Why?
Because a monster using it payback attack can ONLY do it against the hero that killed/attacked it. Not a hero from another guild. Not even another hero from the same guild.
The only exception is if the monster can hit multiple enemies, and if so any aditional damage is ignored; It has already finished its attack and dies immediately before aditional wounds are applied.

 

[psousa781]

I guess the question really relates to Quest credit since monsters with an ability that could create this scenario are villains and when a villain dies all guilds that did a wound to that monster would get the gold reward.

I would still say the guild (or guilds) that wounded the villain up until its death would get the reward, and any attacks done after the "killing wound" would not count since the villain is already dead.

This is an invalid question. Why?
Because a monster using it payback attack can ONLY do it against the hero that killed/attacked it. Not a hero from another guild. Not even another hero from the same guild.
The only exception is if the monster can hit multiple enemies, and if so any aditional damage is ignored; It has already finished its attack and dies immediately before aditional wounds are applied.

I was assuming he meant someone like Lord Fang whose attack can hit multiple heroes.

 

[Arydis]

I agree with the idea that the first guild that completed the kill (but not overkill) should receive the credit for the kill. Superfluous wounds after the killing wound would not count toward "hitting" the monster.

Alternatively and somewhat more complicated would be Lord Fang if his payback is enough to heal himself over the initial kill, but the wounds from spike/amulet of retribution would kill Lord Fang. In that case, the kill ends up becoming that of the Spike/Amulet hero.

 

[psousa781]

Alternatively and somewhat more complicated would be Lord Fang if his payback is enough to heal himself over the initial kill, but the wounds from spike/amulet of retribution would kill Lord Fang. In that case, the kill ends up becoming that of the Spike/Amulet hero.

I agree with this caveat.

 

[Trigoras]

alright I think this line from the rulebook answers it.

"The credit for killing a Character goes to the Character that inflicts the last Wound, responsible for removing the Character from the board. It does not matter if someone else inflicted more Wounds to the killed Character, all the credit goes to the one who scores the final blow!"

just replace "Character" with "Monster".

 

[psousa781]

alright I think this line from the rulebook answers it.

"The credit for killing a Character goes to the Character that inflicts the last Wound, responsible for removing the Character from the board. It does not matter if someone else inflicted more Wounds to the killed Character, all the credit goes to the one who scores the final blow!"

just replace "Character" with "Monster".

Correct, Character is used when it could apply to Heroes and Monsters, otherwise they will state Heroes or Monsters specifically.