school shootings

[paintingploddy]

Or the other alternative is that he can think, \"That guy might be armed. I still want his wallet/TV set, why don\'t I make sure he doesn\'t get the chance to shoot first (regardless of whether he has a gun)?\"

Sounds a bit like a western.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by paintingploddy
Or the other alternative is that he can think, \"That guy might be armed. I still want his wallet/TV set, why don\'t I make sure he doesn\'t get the chance to shoot first (regardless of whether he has a gun)?\"

Sounds a bit like a western.

Odds are very high in my favor that I am more skilled than he. Lifetime of firearms experience, coupled with SPECOPS experience; I\'ll take those odds.

 

[paintingploddy]

I can see why.

 

[Orb]

Originally posted by philologus

Originally posted by paintingploddy
Or the other alternative is that he can think, \"That guy might be armed. I still want his wallet/TV set, why don\'t I make sure he doesn\'t get the chance to shoot first (regardless of whether he has a gun)?\"

Sounds a bit like a western.

Odds are very high in my favor that I am more skilled than he. Lifetime of firearms experience, coupled with SPECOPS experience; I\'ll take those odds.

lucky you. So you\'ll be ok then.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Orb

Originally posted by philologus

Originally posted by paintingploddy
Or the other alternative is that he can think, \"That guy might be armed. I still want his wallet/TV set, why don\'t I make sure he doesn\'t get the chance to shoot first (regardless of whether he has a gun)?\"

Sounds a bit like a western.

Odds are very high in my favor that I am more skilled than he. Lifetime of firearms experience, coupled with SPECOPS experience; I\'ll take those odds.

lucky you. So you\'ll be ok then.

Luck has nothing to do with it. Plenty of firearms training programs available in the US. Some are free. Voluntary service in the mililtary as well as voluntary service in special ops is open to anyone who can pass the tests. Choices, decisions; they make the difference. Choose to assault me and I will choose to capitalize on past choices to multiply my chances for survival in a world that is still dangerous. My children will be trained similarly to increase their chances for survival.

 

[Orb]

Will your children have any choice in this? Maybe they wont want to

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Orb
Will your children have any choice in this? Maybe they wont want to

I have 3 boys.
They thoroughly enjoy shooting. If they were disinclined then I wouldn\'t force them. My wife also served in the military and enjoys both firearms and archery. It\'s nice to know that if confronted with a dangerous situation, my children and wife are well-versed in threat assessment and if necessary will have better than average odds of incapacitating or killing an assailant. When working nights this was a great comfort to me.

 

[Modderrhu]

Originally posted by phiIologus
Choose to assault me and I will choose to capitalize on past choices to multiply my chances for survival in a world that is still dangerous.

Lucky you, so you\'ll be ok then.

In other words; tough shit about the poor bastards who haven\'t been through all this combat training.

I agree to some extent, we can all learn to protect ourselves, but if someone sticks a gun in my back (or what he wants me to believe is a gun), he\'ll get my wallet. I won\'t warrant that my waist is faster than his finger. It\'s another matter entirely if he tries to grab me, or comes at me with a knife. :evil:

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Modderrhu

Originally posted by phiIologus
Choose to assault me and I will choose to capitalize on past choices to multiply my chances for survival in a world that is still dangerous.

Lucky you, so you\'ll be ok then.

In other words; tough shit about the poor bastards who haven\'t been through all this combat training.

I agree to some extent, we can all learn to protect ourselves, but if someone sticks a gun in my back (or what he wants me to believe is a gun), he\'ll get my wallet. I won\'t warrant that my waist is faster than his finger. It\'s another matter entirely if he tries to grab me, or comes at me with a knife. :evil:

I am responsible for me, my wife and my kids. I am seeing to that responsibility. If I kill a violent sociopath I have indirectly helped \"the poor bastards who haven\'t been through all this combat training.\" (It wasn\'t all combat training, started at childhood).

 

[Orb]

do you carry a gun on you all the time?

 

[airhead]

Originally posted by Modderrhu
In other words; tough shit about the poor bastards who haven\'t been through all this combat training.

No, more like tough shit for the criminal. Bad guy chooses to assault someone who will fight back and I feel no remorse for the bad guy.

The supreme court here has stated that the police are not here to protect us. We all know that the muggers and robbers will patiently wait while we call 911 on our cel phones and then wait for the police to show up before they start to mug/beat/shoot us.

No, I think I would rather be responsible for my own protection than wait on the government to show up and fill out the paperwork after.

@orb - there are places that we are not allowed to conceal carry. I generally choose not to go there.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by Orb
do you carry a gun on you all the time?

You can\'t carry one into govt. buildings and some other places. But most places yes.

 

[Modderrhu]

Originally posted by phiIologus
I am responsible for me, my wife and my kids.

I accept and agree with that - we can all learn to defend ourselves, and help those we love to defend themselves, to some extent. Yet even with all your experience, even if you can fire 4 rounds per second or shoot a fly off a box at 200m, if someone puts the muzzle of a gun in your back, is any amount of weapons training going to help?

I guess that what I\'m asking is; what do you do in such a situation? The obvious answer is to never let yourself get into that situation in the first place. That requires more awareness training than weapons training, I\'d expect.

Originally posted by airhead
No, more like tough shit for the criminal. Bad guy chooses to assault someone who will fight back and I feel no remorse for the bad guy.

Accepted and agreed to this too. But how many people are like phiIologus, who can handle themselves in that situation?

 

[airhead]

me.

Like you said. Mostly awarness. Don\'t go down dark alleys alone, be aware of who is around you and what they are doing. I perfer to avoid. I don\'t get paid enough anymore to wade into the thick of it (like any of our soldiers ever got paid enough ).

But if the manure hits the impeller, I don\'t want to be a helpless sheep either.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by airhead
me.

Like you said. Mostly awarness. Don\'t go down dark alleys alone, be aware of who is around you and what they are doing. I perfer to avoid. I don\'t get paid enough anymore to wade into the thick of it (like any of our soldiers ever got paid enough ).

But if the manure hits the impeller, I don\'t want to be a helpless sheep either.

Mostly situational awareness. I\'ve been to many places in the world and one thing that I have found to be consistently true is this: Nothing good comes out of a bar. You may have a neutral experience with no harm done, but there is never any benefit and many times there are negative results. Drinking is best done with people you know and trust in the privacy of a residence. Before anyone gets bent out of shape understand this is only a small part of situational awareness that serves to illustrate my point. I worked nights for many years. After leaving work my awareness was heightened (because it was 3:00 AM) additional factors ratchet up the awareness. Putting oneself into dangerous situations is another piece of personal accountability that is often overlooked. Should everyone be free to go where they wish at any time? Certainly. Is it wise to do so? Not always.

 

[vincegamer]

You weren\'t a tank commander were you? Those guys have to be situationally aware because they stick their heads out where they can get shot off while the rest of the crew is comparatively safe inside.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by vincegamer
You weren\'t a tank commander were you? Those guys have to be situationally aware because they stick their heads out where they can get shot off while the rest of the crew is comparatively safe inside.

No, US Army Infantry, Airborne Ranger.

 

[airhead]

No tanks for me, no thanks. Steel coffins.

I owed the navy a bit of time after I gave up on college the first time. They figured out I was a fair shot with a rifle.

 

[philologus]

Originally posted by airhead
No tanks for me, no thanks. Steel coffins.

lollol We used to call tankers \"rock Lizards\" We used to see them sleeping on top of their tracks, hence the name. They laughed at us for having to walk everywhere.