sculpting models from GW artwork

generulpoleaxe

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Originally posted by Shadzar
you are not supposed to, but then GW stole its power armor design. namely the helmets, from Star Wars Stormtroopers....

with all the IP GW steals from i don\'t see where they really have a leg to stand on. whats next after attacking online bitz sellers, suing WotC for making Star Wars minis because it has Stormtroopers that look like space marines?

you should do some research on \"fair-use\" or its equvilant in your country of origin.

there are of course many ways that would allow you to sculpt and sell small quantities of a mini based on GW artwork, but i wont get into that as you need to understand the fair-use information as best as possible first.

can you prove they stole the storm trooper desighn, i think your talking out of your arse.
take a look at the first marine which was the mark 6 \"beaky\"
and i\'ll think you will find it was a book that inspired marines, not star wars (storm troopers and vader are based off the japanese culture)
 

Dragonsreach

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@lono:
Following a complaint regarding your comment in this thread I must point out that you are in breach of Forum Rule Number 1 in making comments deliberately aimed as an attack on another Forum user.
Consider this a Warning.
 

airhead

Coffin Dodger / Keymaster
AFAIK, the power armor came from Heiniken\'s Bug War books (Starship Troopers) as well as the bugs (\'nids).
 
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Shadzar

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Originally posted by generulpoleaxe
can you prove they stole the storm trooper desighn, i think your talking out of your arse.
take a look at the first marine which was the mark 6 \"beaky\"
and i\'ll think you will find it was a book that inspired marines, not star wars (storm troopers and vader are based off the japanese culture)
can you prove that in the gaming industry that they do not steal things from each other?

i can prove i feel they did. as that is my opinon and i am the only one that has any say in my opinon. but that opinon is echoed by many people i have spoken to.

the reason that Lucasarts or other related companies may have not brought suit is for them to decide upon.

i can say without a shadow of doubt that the first star wars movie was released in 1977 ten years prior to warhammer 40k in 1987.

so that is what i base my personal judgement on. but as i said in the previous post i see it as IP theft, but its up to Lucas to decide if he or his companies want to take action of feels the same as myself. ;)
Originally posted by airhead
AFAIK, the power armor came from Heiniken\'s Bug War books (Starship Troopers)
this would go a long way to explain the Tyranids.

Battle for Macragge aka Starship Troopers the minis game. lol
 

Beelzebrush

Active member
Surely, if you have enough talent to make sculpts based on their artwork, you have enough talent to design your own models? It\'d be far better than \'yet-another-space-fekkin-yawn-marine\', plus you wouldn\'t have the jackboot of GW across your throat. You win all round and you can sell your gear with a clear conscience, knowing that you aren\'t depriving GW of the much needed pennies it may make.

:)

PS - Naughty lono lol *slapped wrist* tsk, tsk! :D
 

generulpoleaxe

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ideas are used by others within the gaming industry all the time, but most are carefull enough to make their product different enough from other models and artwork to make them copywrightable.

blatantly copying somebodies work breaches ip law and negates it from being copywrightable.

being influenced by something is pefectly okay, ripping something off isn\'t.
it\'s a fine line and gw\'s lawyers know which side off it to keep at least one foot. (as in their early years they fell foul of ip law with their first lor line and got slapped for it)
 
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Shadzar

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Originally posted by Swordwind
Originally posted by Shadzar
Battle for Macragge aka Starship Troopers the minis game. lol

I think you\'ll find that Starship Troopers is the Starship Troopers minis game ;)
:eek:
i didn\'t know it existed? link?

i got to compare the BfM and it.
 

supervike

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http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/series.php?qsSeries=26

Check it out. Actually is some great stuff in that Starship Troopers line. Too bad Mongoose is getting out of the mini business.
 

demonherald

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@ Shadzar Stormtoopers really?? never heard that one... A stormtrooper is a guy in a suit of armour the armour doesn\'t enhance him in any way shape or fom except fo making his skin a bit more able to reflect laser blasts.. (unless Princess Leia is firing,, she just don\'t miss) The Marine POWER armour is hard wired into a grafted circuit netwok grafted under the skin of a genetically enhanced musclebound human frame .. with electronic servo bundles adding extra power to them..

..:p:p:p....

p.s that isn\'t a slam btw just I don\'t see the connection.. Of course it will have influenced a certain element every fantasy and sci fi idea draws influences fom somewhere .. If it was completely unlinked and unbased in any form originally then we pobably just wouldn\'t get it...
 
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Shadzar

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Originally posted by demonherald
@ Shadzar Stormtoopers really?? never heard that one... A stormtrooper is a guy in a suit of armour the armour doesn\'t enhance him in any way shape or fom except fo making his skin a bit more able to reflect laser blasts.. (unless Princess Leia is firing,, she just don\'t miss) The Marine POWER armour is hard wired into a grafted circuit netwok grafted under the skin of a genetically enhanced musclebound human frame .. with electronic servo bundles adding extra power to them..

..:p:p:p....

p.s that isn\'t a slam btw just I don\'t see the connection.. Of course it will have influenced a certain element every fantasy and sci fi idea draws influences fom somewhere .. If it was completely unlinked and unbased in any form originally then we pobably just wouldn\'t get it...

asthetics and design rather than fluff and functionality for space marines vs stormtroopers.

line up helmets from each and note their similarities.


not that Mandalorian armor is completely like power armor, but they have the same basic design and the Mandalorian helmets so close to non-beakies it could be hard for novices on either side to tell them apart. and of course Jango Fett clones are not the same as genetically altered and cyborized marines...

there are of course other ways that Star Wars and other movies could have influenced 40k. maybe just star wars geks find these similarities quicker than others. like Tolkien followers find stricking similarities in D&D....or could be just a localized phenomenon in my area. ???
 

Undave

Flockwit
If Mongoose are getting out of the mini business how is it they purport to have an entirely new range of SST stuff coming out this summer including two new races?

Or am I missing something?

MkVII helmets are just beakies with the beak cut off and replaced with a grille. They bear vague similarities to Stormtrooper helmets some of which is probably intentional but at the end of the day it\'s different enough to be instantly recognisable as a Marine helmet and not a Starwars one.

You can claim plagiarism with loads of mini related stuff as well as stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with minis. I finally got round to watching Equilibrium yesterday and the costuming parallels with the Matrix are glaringly obvious but it\'s still a valid film in it\'s own right and no lawsuits abounded there. Hell if you want to go down that road you might as well sue me as my coat is cut in exactly the same style.

Ever noticed how Rackham gobbos look remarkably similar to GW ones, what with the big noses? Starcraft and Warcraft are two of the most notorious computer games to pinch their inspiration from elsewhere, namely the Orcs and Zerg (this warhammer cost me 40k). GW came right round and got their own back with the ravener though. Genestealers are obviously based on Alien and Arbitrators ARE Judge Dread.

Lets not forget the entire industry wouldn\'t be where it is today without some heavy borrowing from Lord of the Rings. In turn Tolkien was inspired by Norse and Old English mythology which itself likely got it\'s ideas from some previous source.

I certainly agree about those Primarch models though. They are far too close to the bone. It amazes me how they can continue to produce them. If you are gouing to borrow someone elses ideas at least put your own slant on them.


Crap! Got to scarper, the Wachowski brothers\' lawyers have just shown up asking questions about my coat :eek:
 
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Shadzar

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Originally posted by Undave
Genestealers are obviously based on Alien and Arbitrators ARE Judge Dread.

i would actually have to say that Hormagaunts from 2nd edition was based on aliens.



i want to see more original artwork these days! (is their any left out there?)
 

demonherald

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on the subject of legality and modelling just one that has always puzzled me...
Is it techniclly breaking the law to base models on coins bearing the queens head... A common practise in millitary gaming particularly 15mm..but isn\'t that defacing the queens image??? :beer:
 

Undave

Flockwit
That\'s why you only flock the tails side lol


twins.jpg
 
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Shadzar

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Originally posted by demonherald
on the subject of legality and modelling just one that has always puzzled me...
Is it techniclly breaking the law to base models on coins bearing the queens head... A common practise in millitary gaming particularly 15mm..but isn\'t that defacing the queens image??? :beer:

from the coins i have seen i don\'t think the image on the coin does the person must justice. so i would say it is covering up a possibly slanderous image....

but \"destroying\" money is illegal, but it makes me wonder how some people sell painted coins like those 50 states quarters in the US. did they need a license or permission to paint them?

when in doubt find a washer about the same size.
 

Talion

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Are you Seriously saying you can\'t see any resembalance.

I\'d say 90% of the entire front part, the side parts of the hemlet.

The only difference is the lump on the top and they\'ve made the frown slope.

The Mandalorian one doesn\'t look anything like it, but the normal stormtrooper it looks about 80% like it.
 
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